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Why I'm returning / selling my brand new Sonos Play 1



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I'm getting a Tidal subscription trial, appears to offer much better soundquality
I'm getting a Tidal subscription trial, appears to offer much better soundquality
It would be interesting to hear what you think.

However,
i changed room and the door is now closed, before i was in a spaceous kitchen.

be sure you actually compare apples with apples this time. And that even means keeping your head pretty still.

Unfortunately you'll be unable to level-match with any precision. Services don't all stream at the same volume level.
I'm pretty sure if someone would do a decent sound analysis it would show major distortions in the soundimage. Digital sound speakers, yuck.

I expect to add another Play:1 this weekend but now i'm just anxious and frustrated with the sound quality perceived.

Some one has, and it shows no distortions. See: http://stereos.about.com/od/Wireless/ss/Sonos-Play1-Measurements.htm and the review there. Digital speaker isn't the right description either, no such thing exists. The 1 is also driven by analog signals.

However, the ultimate test is your ears, your room and your preference; never mind that it may not align with many of us here that are very happy with delivered sound quality from the play 1.

Look for a speaker that you like instead and return the 1.
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First few seconds of playing "Upwards at 45 degrees" on Tidal and i'm pleased. Take a 30 day trial i'd recommend, so much better dynamics.

Luckily i don't have a large music collection on Spotifybyebye. I'll run a few more checks, compare the app etc. Most likely i'll switch then.
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I'm most likely not ever going back to Spotify, just found this

https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-us/articles/201677601-Sonos-Getting-Started

TIDAL is the perfect match for Sonos, streaming music in lossless, high fidelity audio quality, ensuring the best sound experience possible.

The trial is in normal sound quality, not lossless, despite that the sound quality is notably better than Spotify.

Please let me know what you think.
LOL. All is well that ends well then:-))
You might also trial Deezer Elite. Similar catalogue, different curation, and a menu option in Sonos which confirms the streaming format.
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2 x play1s in a stereo pair with you in the sweet spot, I guarantee will make you smile.

If you're interested: http://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/what-data-compression-does-your-music

The conclusion from the link:
"At 320kbps, AAC is clearly the winner, but the sound will be different from the raw PCM format — things will just not quite sound the same, and the stereo image will probably not be as clear, defined or wide as it should be."
Fortunately for me, the experience I have is different. My music collection must be equally divided by now between ALAC CD rips and 256kbps iTunes purchases. In playlists that include both kinds of files, I haven't noticed these stated to be obvious differences, even in earlier supposedly more resolving systems bearing the audiophile tag. What I do notice is that when volume drops on some files, differences of this kind do become obvious even on a play 1 pair - but this is nothing that a boost in the volume control does not fix, inconvenient though that is, and a different issue.
wow this thread blew up... I came across it a couple weeks ago when I was searching for answers on why my $200 play 1 in my bedroom sounded so awful. I mean REALLY bad IMHO and I totally agreed with everything the OP was saying on quality. When I closed my eyes, it sounded like a cell phone in a red solo cup on my dresser.

well I just picked up a 2nd play 1 and put them into a stereo pair and that's a game changer. Now when I close my eyes and listen, it sounds like a room full of sound and I can't pinpoint where either speaker is.

Still doesn't compare to a pair of big, full range tower speakers but I've gone from completely disappointed to a happy camper. I only had to spend twice as much! ;)

but seriously, for $400 to have a great sounding system in the bedroom without running a bunch of wires and having a big ugly receiver to deal with... pretty awesome.

Still doesn't compare to a pair of big, full range tower speakers

A comparison to full range towers - where a lot of what you pay is for expensive furniture - isn't a fair one unless you support the 1 pair with a Sub. Expensive, but so is a pair of towers once the amp is thrown in.

Not much point in doing this for a bedroom though, but if you wanted to, you could because it is easier to do in a bedroom than trying to shoehorn in a pair of towers with the required supporting kit.

well I just picked up a 2nd play 1 and put them into a stereo pair and that's a game changer.

Not always the case - the stereo sound is better of course, no doubt, but not often game changer different.
Perhaps when you added the second, you also relocated the first unit to a place that works better for it? If so, see how the first unit now sounds, when playing on its own; it probably sounds a lot better than before, and if it does, you will realise how much the speaker placement affects sound quality.
Or, just enjoy the better sounding music!
Like I said, doesn't compare as in I wouldn't try and shouldn't. Apples and oranges.

My point was to suggest a 2nd speaker for anyone else who came across this thread like I did looking for solutions because I would have appreciated that suggestion much more than a whole bunch of people defending Sonos. (Which I still don't understand how anyone could ENJOY listening to a single play device in mono)
Man, Kumar, you just like to argue and disagree. Whatever. This post ain't for you.
The reason why adding a second speaker isn't obvious and immediately suggested is because many of us have only seen this convert good mono sound to good stereo sound. It worked for you, that's good, but IMO it makes more sense to investigate the reasons why a single speaker isn't sounding good, and fix those. Because it is so obviously able to, if placed correctly, fed music from a well recorded source, and optimised with true play.

And the last thing someone talking about returning his unit wants to hear is - buy one more unit! However, this suggestion is now part of the thread as well and may well prove useful.
Lol. What is a forum for?!
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2 x play1s in a stereo pair with you in the sweet spot, I guarantee will make you smile.
Hey I win for once, I claim my prize 😉
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wow this thread blew up... I came across it a couple weeks ago when I was searching for answers on why my $200 play 1 in my bedroom sounded so awful. I mean REALLY bad IMHO and I totally agreed with everything the OP was saying on quality. When I closed my eyes, it sounded like a cell phone in a red solo cup on my dresser.

well I just picked up a 2nd play 1 and put them into a stereo pair and that's a game changer. Now when I close my eyes and listen, it sounds like a room full of sound and I can't pinpoint where either speaker is.

Still doesn't compare to a pair of big, full range tower speakers but I've gone from completely disappointed to a happy camper. I only had to spend twice as much! ;)

but seriously, for $400 to have a great sounding system in the bedroom without running a bunch of wires and having a big ugly receiver to deal with... pretty awesome.


Make sure you run Trueplay against your speakers. It only works with Apple stuff at oresent, but if you,could borrows someone's iPhone to set it up...

Trueplay, roughly, irons out room/placement induced extraneous bass and tightens up the sound. It's other effects are subtle.
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I just wanted to say to OP that I listened to the Leona Lewis track on both my new sonos 1 and my sonos 5 2nd gen. The sonos 5 reproduced the synth sound perfectly, however I could hardly hear it on the sonos 1.

Now, it's possible this is due to what other posters have said, that it's a mono speaker, I know from experience that mono speakers do sometimes miss some minor things due to having to sum up the L+R. I'm moving shortly and I'll do a test of the sonos 1 in stereo to see if it fixes the lack of synth sound.
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I tried the Leona Lewis track from Spotify through my stereo pair of Play 1s plus Sub. The synth came in very clearly at 0:38 seconds.
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I tried the Leona Lewis track from Spotify through my stereo pair of Play 1s plus Sub. The synth came in very clearly at 0:38 seconds.

Thanks, it seems like it's less of a speaker problem then and more of a stereo > mono conversion problem. Good to know!
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I think so. The synth is closer to the right hand channel and is probably being overwhelmed in the stereo > mono conversion.