Hey,
So i'm getting a playbar soon and i want to connect my existing and new Play1's to the playbar. From reading online it would appear i can connect two providing i use a bridge however im keen to know if I can connect more than the two and if so is it the same process?
Also, can i connect Play 3 or 5's to my playbar. thinking of buying some with the playbar and unsure if i should stay with P1's
Thanks
how many play1's can I connect to my playbar...?
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This won't work. The PLAY:1 pair would have to be grouped with the PLAYBAR (not bonded). Whilst they'd play in sync for music, they won't for TV. This is because PLAYBAR (+ satellites) aims to minimise latency to preserve lip-sync.
Grouped players require more network buffering to avoid dropouts, hence they'd audibly lag behind the PLAYBAR. It is possible to delay the PLAYBAR's own audio, but then you'd just damage lip-sync for all the speakers.
Grouped players require more network buffering to avoid dropouts, hence they'd audibly lag behind the PLAYBAR. It is possible to delay the PLAYBAR's own audio, but then you'd just damage lip-sync for all the speakers.
I have a related question - Just got setup with a Playbar+SUB+2x Play3
I understand that the playbar only processes 5.1 (not 7.1), but could I add two additional Play1s to act as additional FrontL and FrontR speakers? I know the playbar would be playing the same thing in 2 of its 3 channels (in addition to Center), but I have a wider room that Id like to get the Front L/R channels more loudly distributed.
Example Setup:
Front L________Front L___Center___Front R_________Front R
Play 1_________[========PLAYBAR=======]__________Play 1
Rear L__________________________________________Rear R
Play 3___________________________________________Play 3
I understand that the playbar only processes 5.1 (not 7.1), but could I add two additional Play1s to act as additional FrontL and FrontR speakers? I know the playbar would be playing the same thing in 2 of its 3 channels (in addition to Center), but I have a wider room that Id like to get the Front L/R channels more loudly distributed.
Example Setup:
Front L________Front L___Center___Front R_________Front R
Play 1_________[========PLAYBAR=======]__________Play 1
Rear L__________________________________________Rear R
Play 3___________________________________________Play 3
I have the Sonos Playbar, Sub and 2 x PLAY:1
Now, the Playbar and sub are connected to my TV in my bedroom. The first Play:1 is in my bathroom, the other Play:1 is also in my Bedroom. I tried to group my 'Bedroom Play:1' with my Playbar + Sub. The problem I encountered (also mentioned in the comments) is that if I play some music/movie on my tv, the Play:1 (which I grouped with the Playbar + SUB) has a very noticeable delay. Especially when I'm listening to music with a beat, the beat comes with an echo. That could be that 70ms delay mentioned in this thread before.
Anyone an idea of how I can get rid of the delay?
The reason I only connected 1 of the Play:1 speakers is because I just wanted to play my music louder. I'm currently waiting to buy additional Play:1's or 3's.
I think Sonos should make something so that I can easily disconnect my Play:1's from the 5.1 surround setup so I can move it to my bathroom at any time. Like the ability to simply switch between using the Play:1 for 'room X' or for the surround setup.
Now, the Playbar and sub are connected to my TV in my bedroom. The first Play:1 is in my bathroom, the other Play:1 is also in my Bedroom. I tried to group my 'Bedroom Play:1' with my Playbar + Sub. The problem I encountered (also mentioned in the comments) is that if I play some music/movie on my tv, the Play:1 (which I grouped with the Playbar + SUB) has a very noticeable delay. Especially when I'm listening to music with a beat, the beat comes with an echo. That could be that 70ms delay mentioned in this thread before.
Anyone an idea of how I can get rid of the delay?
The reason I only connected 1 of the Play:1 speakers is because I just wanted to play my music louder. I'm currently waiting to buy additional Play:1's or 3's.
I think Sonos should make something so that I can easily disconnect my Play:1's from the 5.1 surround setup so I can move it to my bathroom at any time. Like the ability to simply switch between using the Play:1 for 'room X' or for the surround setup.
I have the standard setup with a playbar, sub and two play 1s in a room 8x5m - more than fills the room. The only other option I would consider would be to replace the play 1s with 3s - in a bigger room that is.
As for the PLAYBAR it plays in stereo. L from the left, R from the right, and a combination of the two from the centre. The tweeters on the end in particular would each render their specific channel.
I see what you're saying, I guess the question would be, would I even notice it on a speaker like the play three where the two speaker channels are so close together. The way my house is setup, my kitchen is semi-separated from the main room, so I would be looking to fill the entire area with sound for things like holidays or parties, not sure much to create a cohesive sound for someone sitting in the middle of the room.
For music there'd be no delay, and the group would play in sync. However a single PLAY:3 would have its channels the wrong way round. Its left would be on your right since it's positioned behind you. All in all, it would not sound that great as channel separation would be somewhat muddied by the PLAY:3. Unless you just want a wash of sound, say for a party, you'd be better off without it.
As for the PLAYBAR it plays in stereo. L from the left, R from the right, and a combination of the two from the centre. The tweeters on the ends in particular would each render their specific channel.
As for the PLAYBAR it plays in stereo. L from the left, R from the right, and a combination of the two from the centre. The tweeters on the ends in particular would each render their specific channel.
I have a question that is very similar, but more about listening to music rather than TV out of this proposed setup.
I understand what is being said regarding the 5.1 surround sound setup and why it wouldn't make sense to add a grouped speaker (in my case a play 3). However, what would happen if you did the following for music listening?
1 Playbar - Front Speaker
2x Play 1s - Added as surrounds
1 Play three in back, grouped with the others
Would this sound good? What happens from a stereo perspective when you listen to music out of the Playbar + sounds, does it play "mono" out of the playbar and as a R/L stereo pair out of the play 1s? If this is the case, would the play three in the back be playing the same as the playbar, would their be a delay?
I understand what is being said regarding the 5.1 surround sound setup and why it wouldn't make sense to add a grouped speaker (in my case a play 3). However, what would happen if you did the following for music listening?
1 Playbar - Front Speaker
2x Play 1s - Added as surrounds
1 Play three in back, grouped with the others
Would this sound good? What happens from a stereo perspective when you listen to music out of the Playbar + sounds, does it play "mono" out of the playbar and as a R/L stereo pair out of the play 1s? If this is the case, would the play three in the back be playing the same as the playbar, would their be a delay?
The PLAYBAR lip-sync setting is pretty coarse, so tinkering with it to attempt to sync grouped Players won't be exact.
Also, as Stuart says, the entire group could be too far behind the video for comfort. This could, however, potentially be addressed by bypassing the TV for the audio. Audio taken direct from an external TV box (PVR, DTT, cable, etc) is often 100-150ms ahead of the picture. One may then need to dial in some delay at the external box, to stop audio being ahead of the picture (which the brain dislikes a lot more than when audio's behind).
Also, as Stuart says, the entire group could be too far behind the video for comfort. This could, however, potentially be addressed by bypassing the TV for the audio. Audio taken direct from an external TV box (PVR, DTT, cable, etc) is often 100-150ms ahead of the picture. One may then need to dial in some delay at the external box, to stop audio being ahead of the picture (which the brain dislikes a lot more than when audio's behind).
That's exactly what I was looking for.... So you can have a playbar, sub and 4 Play 1's... then add 2 Play 5's at the back of the room to completely fill the room by adjusting the lip sync till it sounds right?...the sounds awesome to me
You can do it, but honestly why would you want to? You will be negating all the effects of surround sound, taking all the carefully crafted directional effects and diffusing them around the room. It will be a muddy mess. In a surround sound system, each discrete channel should be anchored to a certain speaker position, so that when a car goes across the screen, you can hear it go from the left to center to right speakers, or when a bullet whizzes past your right ear, you hear it go from front right to surround right. Adding more speakers playing all channels will do nothing but confuse the ear, because you will be hearing the car/bullet out of all the grouped speakers, causing the directional effect to be muddy and non-directional, ruining the surround effect.
More speakers does not automatically mean better sound. Matter of fact, when those extra speakers are not playing discrete channels, you are going to get worse sound. Stick to the standard 5.1 setup of 1 Playbar, two surrounds and a Sub. That is all you need, adding more to be grouped will ruin the effect. If you are bent on spending money on extra speakers, use those speakers in another room, where the multi-room features of Sonos can shine.
Yeah.... on reflection, you are right.... I have a huge square open living space on the 1st floor of my house, bedrooms are downstairs... the 1st floor has a vaulted open ceiling , wooden floors and solid walls, so I was just worried I wouldn't get a full enough sound with just the playbar, sub and 2 play 1,3 or 5's...granted I only have a soundbar and sub now, but they are fairly decent ones, we sit quite far away from the TV hence why I was looking to expand, but I might try the bundle and see, I'm sure it will be an improvement on what I have today so that can only be a good thing.
That's exactly what I was looking for.... So you can have a playbar, sub and 4 Play 1's... then add 2 Play 5's at the back of the room to completely fill the room by adjusting the lip sync till it sounds right?...the sounds awesome to me
You can do it, but honestly why would you want to? You will be negating all the effects of surround sound, taking all the carefully crafted directional effects and diffusing them around the room. It will be a muddy mess. In a surround sound system, each discrete channel should be anchored to a certain speaker position, so that when a car goes across the screen, you can hear it go from the left to center to right speakers, or when a bullet whizzes past your right ear, you hear it go from front right to surround right. Adding more speakers playing all channels will do nothing but confuse the ear, because you will be hearing the car/bullet out of all the grouped speakers, causing the directional effect to be muddy and non-directional, ruining the surround effect.
More speakers does not automatically mean better sound. Matter of fact, when those extra speakers are not playing discrete channels, you are going to get worse sound. Stick to the standard 5.1 setup of 1 Playbar, two surrounds and a Sub. That is all you need, adding more to be grouped will ruin the effect. If you are bent on spending money on extra speakers, use those speakers in another room, where the multi-room features of Sonos can shine.
And they won't be the surround channels, you'll be getting the front stereo channels coming from behind you, which will sound stupid.
You can add a Sub and surrounds (Play1, Play 3 (?) or Play 5 Gen 2) to make a 5.1 set-up - You can then group other speakers but that will add a 70 mS delay BEHIND the Playbar. So you can't adjust so the additional grouped speakers are synced with the Playbar or video.
The only think I'm not fully clear on is the 70mS delay that I know is added when you group speakers to the Playbar/Sub/Surrounds I just don't know if the Playbar audio stays synced.
Yeah I get where you are coming from.... Perhaps adjusting the video sync on the TV or video source device might alleviate some of the lag and then tweak the sync on the playbar and continue tweak until it looks and sounds acceptable....
Don't think it matters much as I think if they all sync they will likely be so far out of sync with video as to be unwatchable
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I don't think it would work.
You can add a Sub and surrounds (Play1, Play 3 (?) or Play 5 Gen 2) to make a 5.1 set-up - You can then group other speakers but that will add a 70 mS delay BEHIND the Playbar. So you can't adjust so the additional grouped speakers are synced with the Playbar or video.
The only think I'm not fully clear on is the 70mS delay that I know is added when you group speakers to the Playbar/Sub/Surrounds I just don't know if the Playbar audio stays synced.
Don't think it matters much as I think if they all sync they will likely be so far out of sync with video as to be unwatchable
You can add a Sub and surrounds (Play1, Play 3 (?) or Play 5 Gen 2) to make a 5.1 set-up - You can then group other speakers but that will add a 70 mS delay BEHIND the Playbar. So you can't adjust so the additional grouped speakers are synced with the Playbar or video.
The only think I'm not fully clear on is the 70mS delay that I know is added when you group speakers to the Playbar/Sub/Surrounds I just don't know if the Playbar audio stays synced.
Don't think it matters much as I think if they all sync they will likely be so far out of sync with video as to be unwatchable
That's exactly what I was looking for.... So you can have a playbar, sub and 4 Play 1's... then add 2 Play 5's at the back of the room to completely fill the room by adjusting the lip sync till it sounds right?...the sounds awesome to me
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The problem with grouped speakers added to the Playbar 5.1 setup is that when you adjust the volume on the Playbar/Sub/Play 1's using the TV's remote the volume on the grouped Play 1's doesn't adjust. It does if you use the controller. You can use the sonos connect:amp and have upto 4 wall/ceiling speakers as your surround sound, and volume would adjust to match playbar/sub when watching TV https://sonos.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2248/~/set-up-a-sonos-connect%3Aamp-as-surround-rearshttps://sonos.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2248/~/set-up-a-sonos-connect%3Aamp-as-surround-rearshttps://sonos.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2248/~/set-up-a-sonos-connect%3Aamp-as-surround-rears
wow, that's amazing :)
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You can add a bunch of more play components to your physical room. You will simply have to create additional sonos rooms and group them to your playbar+sub+rear surrounds room. To get around the latency and echo issues that your group will encounter, simply go to your playbar settings and adjust the lip sync as needed. My current group in my living room consists of a playbar+sub+four play 1's, and it sounds great. So great that I'm considering adding another pair of play 5's to this configuration to achieve an even fuller room filling sound!
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and it wasn't orange
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It sure does, heard it in store and its DEEP even with store background noise. Her indoors stopping me spending £599 on one at the moment.
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The Sub does add a lot
Go find somewhere you can properly listen. You will not believe the difference the sub makes 😉
Just get yourself a Bridge and hook that to your router. SonosNet will build itself from there.
My router isn't in the same room as my TV where my playbar and P1's will be, any solutions?
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When connecting Play:1s or Sub you need to be in SonosNet mode. Which means you need 1 Sonos device (any device - can be bridge) hooked to your router.
Thanks for the comments/advice TV is compatible so no worries there.
End goal is 5.1 was just wondering how many you could add to the playbar however i do only intend to have 2 P1's and eventually the sub, that said given the output of the play1 im not actually sure i would want the Sub but i'll no doubt get it to complete the setup.
Do I need to get a bridge to connect a Playbar with extra speakers or can i do it over my own wifi network. I have a time machine which is dual band and have my sonos on a separate band to my everyday devices.
End goal is 5.1 was just wondering how many you could add to the playbar however i do only intend to have 2 P1's and eventually the sub, that said given the output of the play1 im not actually sure i would want the Sub but i'll no doubt get it to complete the setup.
Do I need to get a bridge to connect a Playbar with extra speakers or can i do it over my own wifi network. I have a time machine which is dual band and have my sonos on a separate band to my everyday devices.
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