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Troubleshooting Sonos on WiFi

Troubleshooting Sonos on WiFi

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Hi @craigski 

I am unsure of the exact operating logic behind the behaviour, and your quoted statement is correct, but yes, as the saying goes, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. However, I do think enabling band steering should ease the transition for Roam.

Incidentally, a reboot of the Roam would likely push it onto 5GHz if within range, though that isn’t exactly automatic.

 

Edit: Ken beat me to it!

No playback issues. Its really an academic/understanding question, I have observed other portable devices such as iPhone and iPad will re connect to 5GHz when available, even with band steering disabled.

My 5GHz is half as congested as the 2.4GHz, so I wanted to understand if the Sonos portable devices should roam back to the 5GHz if its available, as the original FAQ states:

Sonos will perform best on 5GHz as it is faster, has lower latency and has less congestion. 

 

If we are saying it’s not broken, ie working as designed, then I wont attempt to fix it. 😀

As a suggestion, if you powered the Roam off ‘fully’ for a short while (5+ sec. power button press) and then brought it back online in the house where you previously had it working on the 5Ghz signal, my thoughts are it will then use that faster signal until you step outside and it becomes weak again. So that might be worth trying, rather than putting the Roam into standby/waking it up again.

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No playback issues. Its really an academic/understanding question, I have observed other portable devices such as iPhone and iPad will re connect to 5GHz when available, even with band steering disabled.

My 5GHz is half as congested as the 2.4GHz, so I wanted to understand if the Sonos portable devices should roam back to the 5GHz if its available, as the original FAQ states:

Sonos will perform best on 5GHz as it is faster, has lower latency and has less congestion. 

 

If we are saying it’s not broken, ie working as designed, then I wont attempt to fix it. 😀

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Hi @craigski 

Firstly, I’m kind of with @buzz here - if there are no playback problems, don’t worry about it. Roam is unlikely to saturate the 2.4GHz bandwidth unless it’s the Group Coordinator for a large group of speakers.

I would recommend enabling band steering, however. Today, Sonos devices are better prepared to switch to 5GHz than they used to be a few years ago.

2.4GHz has a higher range than 5GHz, and it’s because of this fact that the Roam is switching to 2.4GHz once you are out of range of 5GHz. When the Roam comes back inside, it would need to struggle with it’s received 2.4GHz signal strength before it would think about switching to anything else, and if that was the case, 5GHz would definitely be out of range too. With band steering enabled, the switch should happen without the signal strength being too low, the router and client deciding together which band should be used.

I hope this helps.

Are you experiencing any issues because ROAM will not switch back to 5GHz?

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@Corry P Can you advise how the portable Sonos devices handle roaming between 2.4GHz and 5GHz?

I have setup as per recommendations (single SSID), I am finding that when I ‘roam’ with the Roam outdoors, it seamlessly moves from 5GHz to 2.4GHz, as per you description above, uninterrupted music stream, so works well.

But I find once its on 2.4GHz, it doesn’t ‘roam’ back to 5GHz, even when idle/paused/woken up. Seems its stuck on 2.4GHz, even though there is less utilised higher bandwidth 5GHz available.

My other portable devices (mainly Apple) do roam back to 5GHz when indoors, so it seems specific to Sonos.

I don’t have band steering enabled, as the client should decide what is best connection.

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Who knows but I doubt it was a big technical reason as they could have added that function without too much effort as they're Sonos speakers running Sonos software.  I think it was more strategic..

As for bandwidth etc., even ‘lowly’ 2.4GHz networks can transmit data huge magnitudes greater than even an Atmos stream requires - especially if there's multiple routes for that data to travel - called Sonosnet 😏..

I'm sure people could do tests on how much data is streamed at a time from different services but I recall doing some tests a few years back where I played a song for a few seconds and then disconnected my NAS shortly after startup and the song finished without issue so the cache is fairly large (moreso on newer S2 devices) if used correctly.  Obviously filetypes and sizes come in to play of course but people seem to have gotten into a mindset of 2.4GHz being so archaic -  yet I can Speedtest on my (2.4 SSID) WiFi and be in the hundreds of Mbps from t'internet.  Again, not everyone has those speeds incoming but it doesn't need a fraction of that to serve high quality audio - without worrying if you're connected to a different hub/disc/AP/channel….

 

And give away their ‘company secrets’? There is a reason why we don’t get told everything. Sonos has competitors. Much as we’d love to know, I can I understand a certain amount of reticence on many subjects. 

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Which is why an explanation would be nice……

I don’t understand the reasons why it doesn’t, but I’d assume there was substantial discussion around the issue at Sonos, before that choice was made. 

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I agree but we're not there yet - nowhere near.

I see no reason at all that the new Eras couldn't have also used Sonosnet like every other non-portable speaker.  There may be one of course but I'm not seeing it..

It's a shame that Sonos seem to be moving away from Sonosnet as a preferred setup as I find it a far more reliable setup than relying on router/mesh/AP setups…

I assume there will be a period of transition, but at least WiFi 6 AX/E, or 7, will be much quicker than SonosNet v2 and hopefully the ‘device discovery’ issues will become a thing of the past across a WiFi mesh system - I don’t see any reason to not have everything operating on 5Ghz/6Ghz connections in the longer term. Home WiFi has greatly improved, but the cost of a multiple-hub mesh setup does need to come down in price. It’s not a cheap upgrade at the moment.

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It's a shame that Sonos seem to be moving away from Sonosnet as a preferred setup as I find it a far more reliable setup than relying on router/mesh/AP setups…

Thank you ‘Ken_Griffiths’ - the SonosNet solution was quite the best and easiest to set up - fortunately, one of the Sonos Ones was within an Ethernet cable length and took minutes to setup and resolved all issues. Thanks again.

For what it’s worth: I am using in multiple sites Netgear routers with DD-WRT firmware which are programmed to reboot once a week and very seldom had any connection problems with my SONOS gear, a mixture of ONEs, Play:5, Move, Roam, Beam and Symfonisks.

Thanks for prompt response.  Mine is a Plusnet2 - effectively a recycled BT router!!  I will investigate your suggestions.  Thank you.

Maybe one way to find out if it is the router, is to put all on the 2.4Ghz band and switch off the routers 5Ghz band (just temporarily, whilst testing) and see what happens in that case.

Just ensure the 2.4Ghz SSID name is shown as listed in your Sonos App “Settings/System/Network/Manage Networks” and that your mobile controller is using that same band too for connection to the LAN.

What might also help is setting the bands channel-width to 20Mhz only, as that will reduce interference. Set the wifi to use either channel 1, 6 or 11 as those channels are non-overlapping.

My guess is it should resolve your issue and then you can maybe move forward from there to resolve things more permanently. As I mentioned, using SonosNet and reserving the device IP addresses may also prove to be helpful.

Thanks for prompt response.  Mine is a Plusnet2 - effectively a recycled BT router!!  I will investigate your suggestions.  Thank you.

Sonos One and Sonos SL as stereo pair.  Router shows L+? in system details.  I think this is because router allocates one speaker on 5GHz band, second on 2.4GHz.  Stereo works fine BUT Trueplay does not appear as available?  Is this because of band allocation and how can I resolve?  Not quite as technically knowledgeable as some of above postings 🙁

Sounds like an SSDP multicast discovery issue between your controller and speaker operating on a different band - this used to be an issue with some BT (British Telecom) Routers, Smarthub v2, just as an example.

I would first check for router firmware updates that’s if it’s your own router, or maybe see if running things on SonosNet may work any better for you. I would certainly reserve your Sonos IP addresses in your routers DHCP reservation table.. Unfortunately, there are lots of things that can help improve device discovery (even changing router WiFI channels and reducing the 2.4Ghz band channel-width to 20Mhz only), but maybe try some of the things mentioned and see if they may help to resolve your issue.

Sonos One and Sonos SL as stereo pair.  Router shows L+? in system details.  I think this is because router allocates one speaker on 5GHz band, second on 2.4GHz.  Stereo works fine BUT Trueplay does not appear as available?  Is this because of band allocation and how can I resolve?  Not quite as technically knowledgeable as some of above postings 🙁

I wish I’d known any of this before buying these things. Yes, I have an extender. No I had no idea that would be an issue. What a waste of my money.

When we had wired speakers, we laid down the wires once and never had to think about it again. Now I spent 10-60 minutes a day troubleshooting. Argghh!

 

 

When I do plugin a Sonos speaker, the playlists skip all the time and I get network errors, cannot connect to device errors up the yin yang. When I unplug it, no problems except I can’t group all 3 of my speakers together. The one on the extender acts alone!

 

 

This process would have multiple possible corrections in it, the most prevalent of fixing an issue with your router and IP assignments. It sometimes occurs that a router ‘loses’ its place in the DHCP  table, and begins assigning duplicate IPs. A refresh of the router by rebooting it usually takes care of this, and when the Sonos boots back up, it requests a fresh IP from the router. Plus you get the benefit of refreshed systems on both the router and the Sonos devices, in case there were any issues there. 

Try unplugging all your Sonos devices from power, and while they’re unplugged, reboot your router. Once the router has a couple of minutes to come back up, plug back in your Sonos devices.

Airgetlam, thanks for your suggestion, and why should this work?

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Deleted..posted in error. Sorry!😥

Try unplugging all your Sonos devices from power, and while they’re unplugged, reboot your router. Once the router has a couple of minutes to come back up, plug back in your Sonos devices.

I have Sonos Play:5, Sonos One, and Connect AMP … I love them all BUT they have started to constantly disappear from the system … randomly … I cannot figure out the pattern … I suspect the root cause being my Nokia Super WIFI mesh system, I have two, one Nokia connected to router via cable and one more as extender … all Sonos connected via WIFI and I thought this should be possible without having to think about which of the Nokias to connect to …

 

Any advice on how to get to a stable network would be very much appreciated.

Thanks, Erik 

 

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