Hi
Play:5, manufacturing date sometime around 2009, is completely dead. No light in LED.
Found several cases of this online, but no solutions.
Does anyone have any knowledge about the problem, og better yet, schematics..
I mainly suspect problem in switch mode power supply. Have only done very basic measuring, but I find 220VAC on primary side, no power on secondary side. I think about ordering a mosfet, and/or a diode I suspect, but if I had schematics I could do some more pinpointing..
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Can someone tell me the value of resistor R27842? Looks like it starts with “01..” but can’t be sure and I definitely can’t make out the last digit. It’s reading open. I think I scraped off some of the markings trying to get the glue off of it.
R27842 - 01b - 1kohm - 1000 ohm
Thanks VERY much!
Thank you for your reply. I removed the 7 caps today and am waiting for the new ones. I hope it will work again.
Hello, first of all sorry for my bad English. I have the following problem, my play 5 gen1 only outputs sound over sub and high. Midrange is dead. I'm already disassembling the play5. You can't see faults with the eye. Which components are responsible for the center? I would be very grateful for tips.
I would start checking the power amp (where there is a row of 5 capacitors). Top of the cpacitors should be flat. Are you sure yours are not bulged? I had 7 bad caps, the row of 5 and 2 smaller ones next to it.
Hello, first of all sorry for my bad English. I have the following problem, my play 5 gen1 only outputs sound over sub and high. Midrange is dead. I'm already disassembling the play5. You can't see faults with the eye. Which components are responsible for the center? I would be very grateful for tips.
SO… My success 2 days ago inspired me to have another look at the two other dead units that I have.
I found a common problem to both of them, and got both working!
I had looked at everything in the high voltage section of the power supply, and couldn’t find any bad components. Despite this, the devices were both not working, and on closer inspection were resetting about once every 5 seconds… There was power ramping up, and just as it hit 20V in the driver power to the IC, it would fall back to 10V or so and start over. This is a problem that others have had on this forum (and in this thread).
I looked at the datasheet for the PWM (ICE2QS02G), and realized that I had not checked the feedback section of the circuit. This is the bit on the ‘other side’ of the opto-isolator. Most of this part of the circuit is buried in glue, but sure enough, when I checked the resistors there, both of my devices had bad resistors in the same spot! The resistor in question is a very small surface mount, with the marking “68b”. Looking in the EIA listings , this is a 4.99k resistor. Both of my devices had open resistors. I added 1/8 watt 4.7k resistors (I didn’t have 5k), and lo and behold both devices now work.
The lower value resistor did have the effect of making the device run at 13V/26V instead of 12V/24V. I don’t see this as a problem, as there are several EH31 regulators on the board, and the only thing (I think) that would be driven directly by these voltages would be the actual audio amplifiers. Those should be tolerant.
Thank you for your persistence. I had the exact same fault! I don’t think I would have suspected an open resistor in the feedback circuit, such a strange defect. Replaced the resistor together with two ultra cheap bulging „CapXon“ 470uf/35V caps on the secondary side next to the DC/DC converter. Working again like nothing ever happened. Thanks again!
Can someone tell me the value of resistor R27842? Looks like it starts with “01..” but can’t be sure and I definitely can’t make out the last digit. It’s reading open. I think I scraped off some of the markings trying to get the glue off of it.
R27842 - 01b - 1kohm - 1000 ohm
Can someone tell me the value of resistor R27842? Looks like it starts with “01..” but can’t be sure and I definitely can’t make out the last digit. It’s reading open. I think I scraped off some of the markings trying to get the glue off of it.
I've just closed mine after repair... But I will probably receive another one in a few weeks for reparation; I will look for the number and also try to measure it. I hope you can wait that long ...
Can someone tell me the value of resistor R27842? Looks like it starts with “01..” but can’t be sure and I definitely can’t make out the last digit. It’s reading open. I think I scraped off some of the markings trying to get the glue off of it.
Hi,
So finaly replaced the NTC SCK054 and the KBU606 (took a lager one as this one was not available) Replaced the large Caps 400v with new Phillips and all is back to live again. Except for one issue.
I noticed the left tweeter cracking from time to time randomly. (testes wiith another tweeter same issue).
So replaces the small caps 100uf 25v which are feeding the 2 tweeters (just traced back from the board pin to see which where connected ther are right behin the inductors.
However this did not solve the proble so i’m wondering what is causing the cracking sound on only the left tweeter.
If someone could point me into the right direction?
Hemant
The small caps should be 25V 470uF? Maybe that is the cause?
Hello everybody,
I also had a dead play:5 gen 1. Fuse blown and faulty rectifier. I also replaced some caps while the speaker was open:
- the 2 large 400V caps of the power supply. Not sure if they were defective, but without them, it was easier to remove the defective rectifier.
- the 5 35V 820uF caps of the power amp; the heads were bulging.
- the 2 25V 470uF caps that feed the tweeters, they had also bulging heads.
The speaker came alive. So far so good. But the 5 35V 820uF caps are getting really hot. I replaced them again with Panasonic 30mOhm caps, with the same result.
The speaker housing is becoming more hot compared to another play:5 I have.
So I think there must be somewhere a problem that causes my caps to heat and finally damaged them. Or I purchased a wrong type of caps.
Does anyone has an idea?
SO… My success 2 days ago inspired me to have another look at the two other dead units that I have.
I found a common problem to both of them, and got both working!
I had looked at everything in the high voltage section of the power supply, and couldn’t find any bad components. Despite this, the devices were both not working, and on closer inspection were resetting about once every 5 seconds… There was power ramping up, and just as it hit 20V in the driver power to the IC, it would fall back to 10V or so and start over. This is a problem that others have had on this forum (and in this thread).
I looked at the datasheet for the PWM (ICE2QS02G), and realized that I had not checked the feedback section of the circuit. This is the bit on the ‘other side’ of the opto-isolator. Most of this part of the circuit is buried in glue, but sure enough, when I checked the resistors there, both of my devices had bad resistors in the same spot! The resistor in question is a very small surface mount, with the marking “68b”. Looking in the EIA listings , this is a 4.99k resistor. Both of my devices had open resistors. I added 1/8 watt 4.7k resistors (I didn’t have 5k), and lo and behold both devices now work.
The lower value resistor did have the effect of making the device run at 13V/26V instead of 12V/24V. I don’t see this as a problem, as there are several EH31 regulators on the board, and the only thing (I think) that would be driven directly by these voltages would be the actual audio amplifiers. Those should be tolerant.
I just got mine to work with the same error, when I measured the resistor on the board it was 40-80k and when I soldered it out it was 4.9k but I replaced it with a new 5.1k and everything worked like new, I suspect a broken solder. Thanks to everyone here!
Hi,
So finaly replaced the NTC SCK054 and the KBU606 (took a lager one as this one was not available) Replaced the large Caps 400v with new Phillips and all is back to live again. Except for one issue.
I noticed the left tweeter cracking from time to time randomly. (testes wiith another tweeter same issue).
So replaces the small caps 100uf 25v which are feeding the 2 tweeters (just traced back from the board pin to see which where connected ther are right behin the inductors.
However this did not solve the proble so i’m wondering what is causing the cracking sound on only the left tweeter.
If someone could point me into the right direction?
Hemant
Hi That’s US looking for The Netherlands.
Cheers,
Hemant
Hi, The KBU606 is available on Digi-Key and other distributors.
Hi All,
I’m trying to revive my Sonos Play 5 Gen1. After coming back from Holiday I plugged in the speaker and got a short circuit for some reason. Both Play 5’s I have are on the same circuit. One of them still working the other dead.
After reading this topic, i opened up the broken one and saw a crack in the SCK-054 en the fuse was blown. After I temporary replaced the fuse the main curcuite got blown again. so started to investigate and bumped on the Bridge Recitifier which is s KBU606 look like there is a short there. Not sure why this failed.
So no I need to replace the KBU606 unfortunately this part is EOL so cannot get the same any reccomendations for a replacement? I Have 2x GBU606 laying but not sure if they will work also the GBU606 is half the thickness of the KBU606.
Also need to replace the SCK-054 which is also EOL looking at ditributors within the region en they don’t seem to have the TKD also so not sure what to replace it with. I normally by from Reichelt in NL.
All the help appreciated as I’m hoping to get it fixed.
Cheers,
Hemant
Hi, all, got a great deal of help from the posts in here so I want to chip in a bit.
My Play 5 1st gen suddenly didn't start up properly. Lamp blinking white. Got the main PCB out and noticed that the the power was cycling every second. This could be measured on many places on the board but for example between pin 7 and 8 on the 2QS02G. There was also a small sound from the transformer at each cycle.
Thanks to page 3 here I could locate that the 10 Ohm resistor R27825 was broken. This resistor was hidden by a big heap of glue. I left it in place since it was broken and soldered a standard resistor over its legs. And the unit now powers on correctly.
A tip: when the speaker front has been removed you can take off the 4 5.5mm nuts of the top PCB and gently lift it up. Now its possible to leave this top board in place and not mess with the wifi antennas and such.
Hi Folks, First post here :) I’ve been lurking on this thread as I’ve purchased a few used Play 5’s over the last few weeks. Most of them work great, except a couple needed repairs, so I thought I’d pass on what I’ve learned by applying responses from previous posts.
Symptom 1: Low volume from both midrange speakers and distorted bass from woofer.
Solution 1: All of the 820uF caps of the output amps (6 total) were defective (bulging tops and low capacitance measured on all of them). Additionally, the 470uF filter caps on the output stage of the midrange amps we also defective (bulging tops as well). Replaced all 8 caps, midrange and woofer issues resolved.
Symptom 2: Wireless ethernet not working (speaker could not be found after a reset), but wired ethernet works properly. Two Play 5’s exhibiting this fault.
Solution 2: Removed the wireless adapter card from the socket, cleaned the edge connector fingers with flux remover and cleaned the socket pins as well. Reinstalled wireless adapter. Both are now functional with wireless ethernet.
Hope these two fixes helps others with similar issues.
Fooo
My god. Fat thumbs and small keyboard.. my typing skills need looking at.
Yer so one of the traces to an ac leg on the rectifier was broken also the negative on the dc side of the rectifier to the first cap trace was blown. I wired them direct I also had to replace the fuse rectifier and the box cap.
I have to hard wire it because when i aped the sma cables off the board i busted the connectors because of the glue everywhere. However the centre pin on all 3 board connections are present.. ill have to re solder some wires to them from tbe antennas. Hopefully itll work on wifi/bluetooth then. Thabks all.
That diagram is pretty precise by the way.
Yay it lives... wired only. It worked out 2 of the traces imside the pcb was damaged tbat bles the fuse cap and rectifier.
So nee problem. Basically the guys who bukld these poxg the sma to the board.. they are no bustdd so im relyinv on some solid core cable as replacement to the positive pin which is still present on all 3
That´s good that you find where the problem was.
Yer rhere is thats the next component. But i have pulled this box out and im unabke to vet any reading from it. So im changing this then keep working backwards.
What voltage should i get on botg of those ac pins... across the pair 240 v ac or 2r0v ac on both ?
So the plot thickens. I repla ed the box cap with a new one that tests ok.. the old is ol. Howerver i still only get around 100 v dc on the rectifier.
Confused .com
You should have the full mains voltage, 240V AC on the rectifiers AC pins.
Start at the input jack and measure and see where the voltage disappear.
I did a quick and dirty schematic over the incoming power section,
I don´t have a Play5 with me so I can have missed something
Yay it lives... wired only. It worked out 2 of the traces imside the pcb was damaged tbat bles the fuse cap and rectifier.
So nee problem. Basically the guys who bukld these poxg the sma to the board.. they are no bustdd so im relyinv on some solid core cable as replacement to the positive pin which is still present on all 3
So the plot thickens. I repla ed the box cap with a new one that tests ok.. the old is ol. Howerver i still only get around 100 v dc on the rectifier.
Confused .com
Yer rhere is thats the next component. But i have pulled this box out and im unabke to vet any reading from it. So im changing this then keep working backwards.
What voltage should i get on botg of those ac pins... across the pair 240 v ac or 2r0v ac on both ?
So we get a little further.. on the rectifier i have one ac leg at 240 and the other at 8. And dc output is 90v. So i measure back down the traces that u can see through the board and removed the mpx40 box cap. I get ol testing this. So it looks like when the reciifier blew it took this out and the fuse.i have some coming tomorrow hopefully. Ill report back once tested
I think that one is more of a suppression capacitor connected between live and neutral.
Isn´t there a inrush current limiting varistor on the opposite side of the fuse at the input socket? Maybe it´s that one that is blown?
So we get a little further.. on the rectifier i have one ac leg at 240 and the other at 8. And dc output is 90v. So i measure back down the traces that u can see through the board and removed the mpx40 box cap. I get ol testing this. So it looks like when the reciifier blew it took this out and the fuse.i have some coming tomorrow hopefully. Ill report back once tested
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