Virtual Zones and Zone Grouping

  • 27 February 2005
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The more zones you have, the more you realise you need this.
And since Sonos prominently feature "up to 32 different zones", one might have thought that they'd addressed this point by now.

Satisfied users buying yet more players can become slightly less happy when the only way of arranging zones is alphabetically - and with the amount of scrolling that is required 😮
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+1 from me. The more zones you have, the more you realise you need this.

-AV Spyder
+1 from me!

And being able to configure those zones for alarms would be really usefull! So I don't have to care which config I used the evening before the alarm.
Add my vote too. I've been wishing for a way to have the alarm play in several zones, but not necessarily the same way the zones were grouped the night before. I'd settle for the alarm to play to [All Zones - Party Mode], but being able to create virtual zones would provide much finer control and be more flexible overall.

I agree. One of the remaining "issues" with the Sonos alarms is the lack of control when it comes to playing alarms in multiple zones.

Zone grouping could provide a very elegant way to deal with this.

Cheers,

Keith
+1 from me too.
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Add my vote too. I've been wishing for a way to have the alarm play in several zones, but not necessarily the same way the zones were grouped the night before. I'd settle for the alarm to play to [All Zones - Party Mode], but being able to create virtual zones would provide much finer control and be more flexible overall.
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+1 just had this idea today!
Me too.

I usually have 4 zones wired together with the 3 other zones in ad-hoc combinations.
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+1 for me as well.. This could also eliminate the need for four speakers in one ZP120 for instance. You can have another virtual "hidden" zone which will act as another. This can be done by linking them, I know, but it would be much more aesthetically pleasing to see "Downstairs". This would be a great ides
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+5 (soon to be 6) as I have 5 zones. Nothing more frustrating then having zones and volumes set up for a party handing the remote to a guest and they accidentally change the zones while playing with the remote. It would be nice is the quick fix were "party" zone.

Mike
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I am a new Sonos user, with 6 zones, including ZP90, ZP120, and S5. The system works far better than I expected, with the exception of zone choice.

At present it would be extremely helpful to be able to name and save groupings of zones, including the choice of relative volumes on the indivual players within a group. This is especially important as some of my zones play non-Sonos equipment through ZP90's.

I am tempted to add several other zones. However, I forsee that doing so could make my system extremely cumbersome, unless I have the possibility to select favorite groupings of zones with preset relative volumes. While alarms already have this possibility, after using an alarm, other preselected settings are lost.:)
+2, as I have two systems.

T
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+1 to virtual zones / zone grouping
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+1 to virtual zones / zone grouping
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My orignal though was to have this be simple - perhaps just like the way you memorize a play list which can have music from a library, rhapsody, etc all on one list.

Memorizing, naming, and recalling a zone configuration is all we need. Its OK if it isnt "locked" after recalled - just like a play list, once called into the Queue it can be modified.

I do think the "and remember the volume settings" idea is a great one.

Seperatley I agree with the idea of permanently linking some zones. We have 2 zones in a kitchen, it was actually simpler and cheaper than getting wiring on both sides due to the design. Sonos is great here, but you have to turn both sides on... (easier to install, but harder to use in this case). I do think this is a different problem however.
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Thank you for making such a great system.

My request is to offer a way to simply recreate frequently used zone combinations. Please excuse me if this has been posted previously, I searched and could not find it.

We would like a menu similar to the "play list" menu, or similar to the "music menu" that allows you to select previously saved "zone link configurations". Similar to the "party mode" in linking this would allow us to have a "1st floor mode", "outdoors party mode" (more than one ZP outside), "cooking mode" (Kitchen+dining room), etc. Even a limit of creating 10 "zone mood/mode lists" would be enough.

We have 2 installs, one with 10 zones and 1 with 4 zones and a lot of time is spent "reconfiguring" the zones and setting the proper volume levels between them, etc. We would add 5 more zones to each system but it is just too complicated to manage the zones all the time.

We love the system and this is the ONLY thing some of the competitors have that we really miss.
Wow, this (straight forward) feature request is "at least" three years old and hasn't been implemented???

I know I'm new to this forum but the Sonos CEO should really consider requests like this with this much community support an immediate priority, or why have a forum?

Installers must be selling competing products for larger setups, on this function alone.

Of course I love Sonos, but listening without doing, is not service.


Competing products do not have this functionality. Matter of fact, they don't have a quarter the functionality of Sonos. Most are stuck in the old home-run, multi-channel amp, sourced to a CD jukebox and AM/FM radio type setups, or (like Squeeze) are still trying to master syncing to multiple rooms.

As to why this hasn't been implemented; some things are easier to implement than others, and just because there's an old thread calling for it doesn't mean it is possible to implement it in a fiscally responsible/rewarding way.
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Wow, this (straight forward) feature request is "at least" three years old and hasn't been implemented???

I know I'm new to this forum but the Sonos CEO should really consider requests like this with this much community support an immediate priority, or why have a forum?

Installers must be selling competing products for larger setups, on this function alone.

Of course I love Sonos, but listening without doing, is not service.
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I agree! great Idea!
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I agree
I would like to see virtual zones and groups as separate things.

I see the virtual zones being handy for fixed-grouping of zones. This might be, for instance, a bedroom and an associated en-suite bathroom or a large room with multiple speakers that needs more "oomph" than a single ZP can deliver.

In the case of a virtual zone, once it's grouped it shouldn't appear as separate zones at all (except to allow relative volume adjustment)

Zone groups, on the other hand, I see as a convenience function to support common scenarios. A zone group can contain virtual zones. All zones (real or virtual) show up in the zones screen. Perhaps there is a separate list for zones and zone groups, but linking and dropping should list the zone groups too (so you can link in or drop all zones in a group.

If you link a group, the zones appear in the list individually, not as a group.

A nice feature would be for each zone in the group to, optionally, have a preset volume it goes to when selected.

Groups should, of course, be available for alarms.

Cheers,

Keith
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Well, I (somewhat sheepishly) admit to 23 zones. I can vouch for it: the inability to persist virtual zone groupings and relative volumes, a small inconvenience at low zone count, is seriously impacting my use of the system. It's just impossible to manage this many zones with the simple grouping function provided. It undermines the "magic" of the system. This is a really important feature for larger installations, and the value-add of developing it would be in the thousands of dollars of perceived utility... per system.

I would argue that the implementation would have to allow for a bit of customization otherwise IT could create similar problems. besides your 23 zones would there be additional virtual zones listed. mo money mo problems. I think hopefully if and when this eventually gets done there would be options.

either total customization (in the zone setting it can be listed in the zones menu or not, in the virtual zones menu or not, etc) or at least having 2 zones menus. maybe the zones menu has a first option of listing the virtual groups so that its a separate menu.

The one positive to listing ALL virtual zones and ALL regular zones would be to say you want to play music in VZ1 and the living room (maybe this encorporates 4 total players. i see all sorts of fun quirks and bugs that would have to be worked out. well worth it in my opinion and I hope its already being worked on.
This thread was started 4 years ago - the time laps speaks for itself.
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Well, I (somewhat sheepishly) admit to 23 zones. I can vouch for it: the inability to persist virtual zone groupings and relative volumes, a small inconvenience at low zone count, is seriously impacting my use of the system. It's just impossible to manage this many zones with the simple grouping function provided. It undermines the "magic" of the system. This is a really important feature for larger installations, and the value-add of developing it would be in the thousands of dollars of perceived utility... per system.