Using a Turntable with Sonos



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Have you actually selected the relevant Line-In input to play on the required speaker(s)? (Browse | Line-In | ...)
Have you actually selected the relevant Line-In input to play on the required speaker(s)? (Browse | Line-In | ...) Indeed I have. And then would switch over to the iPad play to check it, and then back to Line In etc.
Are you choosing the Line-In as a source from the One's Now Playing screen? Alternatively, you can set the One as the Autoplay room in the Settings->Room Settings->(Connect room name)->Line-In Settings.
Are you choosing the Line-In as a source from the One's Now Playing screen? Alternatively, you can set the One as the Autoplay room in the Settings->Room Settings->(Connect room name)->Line-In Settings. Thanks for the replies... yes. I tried setting it as the source for autoplay, and also grouped the One and the Connect, and then told it to include groups as well. And that all worked as expected for other sources but just not Line In.
The Connect looks to be having a defective line in jack; email Sonos support. Although your last sentence above is odd; most of what you describe and say it worked, will only work for line in.

Also the obvious - is the volume level slider on the Connect set to audible levels?
Hi there, I’m also having problems with connecting my turntable to my Sonos play 5 speaker and getting good sound.
My set up at the moment is turntable to phono pre amp to play 5, all cables are wired correctly so no issues there.

When using the app, I’ve selected line in, turned the record player on started playing a vinyl. Although I can hear the audio at a decent level, this is somewhat crackly and muffled and is not the clean crisp sound both the player and speaker are capable of.

I should add that when streaming from Spotify the speaker plays brilliant sound, so again, there no issues there.
I’m wondering whether there are specific settings or something similar that would improve the quality of sound.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,

Luke
Does the turntable + preamp, when wired to another downstream amp using the same wire do a good job? I assume so, based on what you have said about the player capability. If so, a defective line in jack on the Sonos is indicated. This can be confirmed by wiring another source like a phone to the 5.
I am looking for the highest sound quality available when using my turntable. It is a high-end VPI table w/ no preamp. When I tried going directly through the connect amp the sound was very poor. Can I achieve levels equal to running my TT through my McIntosh Amp assuming the speakers are equal?
Yes, on an apples to apples basis. Does the named Amp have a phono socket? The Connect Amp does not, so needs a phono preamp to be on an apples to apples basis.

Apples to apples will also mean that both amps have the same power spec of 55 wpc/8 ohms. If the speaker load needs 150 wpc that the other amp can deliver, it is not a fair ask of the Connect Amp to drive those speakers and have them sound just as good.
Issue solved, FYI: For anyone who was following my support question, using line in on my Connect, I have been working with support and we have discovered that the culprit is actually my office WiFi router system, which uses devices on which the default setting is usually set in a way that disrupts the stream mid-device. See the issue and workaround below; when I moved the system to a different network the issue was resolved.

Problem: Ruckus WAPs by default convert incoming broadcast and multicast traffic to unicast.
Affected models: All Ruckus APs.
Background:
This feature causes Group Cast Error conditions and can prevent the Multicast Forwarding DB from being populated.
This feature is turned on for each SSID until the client count reaches 5. This feature gets disabled automatically once a 6th client joins the SSID.
Workaround: Switch to SonosNET
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I also do have a sound problem. The sound seems muffled. There is a lack of clarity, not enough treble and medium.
Line-ion level is set to 'High' and sound is set to 'uncompressed'.
All cables are new - OFC with gold connectors.

I have a Technics SL-1200 MKII with a Shure SC35C cartridge connected to a Pro-Ject Phono Box USB V to a Sonos Play 5.

However no issue when I connect my turntable directly to my Marantz SR-7005.

Thanks for your help.
Trying to go through the steps on my mobile device for More > Settings > Room Settings> (Play:5 name) > Line-In, but the part, "Line-In," isn't an option. I just see "EQ," Room Name, Speaker Touch Controls, Speaker Status Light, and Create Stereo Pair. What should I do?
Is a jack plugged in to the line in socket on the 5? The Line In option only appears once that has been done.
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@Andy B your links in the "Which Sonos player do I need?" paragraph are all missing a colon after the 'https'.

Thanks for the excellent article though!
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Great article.

I have a Planar P3, PreAmp Rega FonoMini A2D, 2 Sonos Play 5 (first edition), 1 Sonos Connect. Still I believe that the sound quality could be improved. What do you recommend? What do you think about a Amplifier to be connected between Pre AMp and Sonos Connect? Or not much difference?
Can i also ask i have an project debut turntable without pre amp built in and i want to connect it to my sonos playbase ,can i direct connect it without sonos conmect? Im thinking of project vynil– preamp– flexon analog to digital –sonosplaybase–optical switch –tv
Stumbled upon this no-nonsense site comparing a number of turntable options. Audio Technica appears to offer a great range, from a serviceable $99 up to a very nice $799, which is very reasonable for a quality turntable.

https://www.themasterswitch.com/best-turntables
advice please! I am looking to buy a Audio Technica AT-LP120 turntable with built in preamp ... I have a playbar, subwoofer and two Play 1s, all via the Sonos Bridge .. .is there a way to hook the turntable up to my set up, without paying £350 for a Connect? can I not connect the turntable to the Bridge? thanks for any advice!
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advice please! I am looking to buy a Audio Technica AT-LP120 turntable with built in preamp ... I have a playbar, subwoofer and two Play 1s, all via the Sonos Bridge .. .is there a way to hook the turntable up to my set up, without paying £350 for a Connect? can I not connect the turntable to the Bridge? thanks for any advice!
No, you'll need a Sonos device with Line-In capability which means getting a CONNECT, a PLAY:5, or a CONNECT:AMP.
Ok, need help 🙂
I have pair of Play 3 speakers and will also buy Pro-Ject Essential III Phono. Do i need Connect-Amp or just Connect?
Would be great if i can also connect my CD-player on same Amp, if possible. What is the best solution? Thanks
Just a CONNECT. But you'd need some sort of switch in front of it to handle both the turntable and the CD player.
Thank you very much for your help ? Wait, maybe I don't need a switch if I connect my turntable to line-in on Pioneer XC-HM86D?
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Thinking about getting a turntable setup with your Sonos system and wondering where to start? We've got you covered.

If you're looking for a quick overview before you dive into the details below, check out the info we have over on our blog.


Before getting started, we need to ask a simple question— Does my turntable need a phono preamp?

Although some turntables have a built-in phono preamp, most of them don’t. Turntables output their signal at phono level, which is a low, quiet signal rated in millivolts. A phono preamp converts the audio output to line level, which is a louder signal rated in volts. If your turntable does not have a built-in phono preamp, you’ll need to place one between the turntable and Sonos player.

We don’t recommend any phono preamp in particular, but we’ve heard great things about the Music Hall Mini, U-Turn Pluto, and Bellari Rolls VP 29.

Your audio receiver may have a phono input, which means you can wire the turntable directly to the receiver. To pass the analog signal along to Sonos the receiver should have a Tape/CD Out, Rec Out, or Zone 2 Out. (Note: additional configuration may be required to trigger the audio output on the receiver)

Which Sonos player do I need?

There are three Sonos players that have a line-in port— the Connect, Connect:Amp, and Play:5. While all three can be used with a turntable, they each have a different application. The Connect is perfect if you already have an amplifier and a set of third-party speakers that you don't want to part with. You'll want to use a Connect:Amp when you already have a pair of third-party speakers but lack an amplifier. Our Play:5 is an all-in-one speaker with the amplifier and speakers all housed in a compact, solid enclosure. Now, no matter which player you plan on using, you'll have the ability to send the music to all of the other Sonos speakers around your house and at the same time. We get it, just because your collection sits in one room, that doesn't mean you have to.

For those just getting into vinyl or looking to upgrade, we now carry the Pro-Ject Essential III Phono in our online store for the US. This is a great turntable that includes a built-in phono preamp so it can be used out of the box with a Sonos Amp, Play:5, Connect, or Connect:Amp right after the initial setup. We know that Record Store Day is approaching so for those of you in the U.S. looking to upgrade your table, get a new Play:5, or both, we have a set that may interest you.

To connect the Play:5 to your turntable or phono preamp, you’ll need a 3.5mm male to RCA cable, which is more commonly referred to as an RCA y-cable. The y-cable will connect to the RCA Out on either the turntable with a built-in phono preamp (shown below) or the RCA Out of the standalone phono preamp. The 3.5mm end will then be connected to the Line-In port located on the back of the Play:5. Although they are not seen all that often, there are some phono preamps that include a 3.5mm out. In this scenario, you’ll want to use an aux cable, which is 3.5mm male to 3.5mm male.


After the Play:5 has been set up, you’ll want to make sure to tweak the line-in settings. Trust me, I know the excitement of getting a new turntable setup and the first thing you want to do is drop that needle but reviewing the details below will help save time and answer a lot of questions you may find yourself asking.

To make these adjustments, we’re going to use the Sonos app on a mobile device and head to More > Settings > Room Settings> (Play:5 name) > Line-In.

To start, you can set the Line-In Source Name. This is used to specify what kind of device is connected to the Line-In port. By default, there isn’t an option for a turntable, so I recommend setting a custom name. The source name is then what’s displayed when selecting Line-In as an option under Browse > Line- In > Turntable: Den

The Line-In Source Level is extremely important, so make sure that if you’re skimming this thread just for info on settings, pay attention to this paragraph. There are two common reasons why music can be barely audible after getting a turntable setup with Sonos. One reason, the turntable doesn’t have a built-in phono preamp (covered above) and the other is because the line-in level is set too low. The line-in level is the voltage in which the signal is going to be detected and the higher it’s set; the louder audio will be. By default, Line-In is set to level two, which isn’t very loud for a turntable. Each class of audio equipment is different and therefore the output impedance will vary from device to device, so make sure to consult your product’s manual. Ideally, you’ll want to set the line-in level to match the output of your phono preamp according to the principle of gain staging. Since most phono preamps don’t have a very high output impedance, you should be able to set line-in all the way to ten if you don’t hear the audio clipping.

The line-in voltage levels are below:

2.2V - Level 1
2.0V - Level 2
1.8V - Level 3
1.6V - Level 4
1.4V - Level 5
1.2V - Level 6
1.1V - Level 7
1.0V - Level 8
0.8V - Level 9
0.6V - Level 10

These adjustments can be made under More > Settings > Room Settings> (Play:5 name) > Line-In > Line-In Level.

The Autoplay Room setting, which is turned off by default, automatically triggers Line-In as the preferred source for audio playback in a designated room. This means that whether music is already playing or you’re just getting ready to kick back and sink into an album that, once the needle meets the groove, autoplay will take care of the rest. Additionally, when autoplay is enabled, the designated speaker will drop out of a group it may be part of unless Include Grouped Rooms is enabled.

While the autoplay feature is great, it won't be ideal if you’re dealing with a cartridge that is a bit noisy, there is trouble getting a solid ground connection, or if there are power fluctuations from the outlet being used. This can cause music to abruptly stop when streaming from an online music service or local source.

General Troubleshooting



Audio Dropouts

A simple but often-overlooked reason you may hear audio dropping or skipping is due to the turntable and speaker(s) being on the same surface. While it may be aesthetically pleasing or the only option in a tiny room, a turntable is designed to measure vibrations, so any other external vibrations may induce skipping or distort the music. Again, if keeping them on the same surface is the only option, you can use foam or other absorptive material under the turntable or speakers to help.

One of the main causes for audio dropping during playback is wireless interference. Before following the steps below, try to clean up the wireless in the area as much as possible.

Audio drops may also occur on larger systems when there are multiple rooms grouped together. When there is a large group with multiple speakers, there will be a greater strain on the wireless communication. To help mitigate that strain, there are two options:

  • Set the line-in level to 4. Using level 4 will increase the buffer size from 75ms to 500ms.
  • Adjust the audio compression. Use compressed rather than uncompressed or auto as it will increase the buffer size to 2000ms. The is found in a slightly different location, More > Settings > Advanced Settings > Audio Compression

No Audio

Check the connections. I know this sounds silly, but we’ve all been there. Connecting an In to an Out or just plain forgetting a connection altogether.

Use a different device. After making sure all cables are connected and seated properly, grab a device that can be used with a y or aux cable. Can you hear sound now? If yes, then there may be a setting on the turntable or phono preamp that needs to be adjusted or checked.

Speaker Placement



The subject of speaker placement is a very expansive topic, so I'm not going to go into too much of the nitty-gritty, but I still believe it's important to cover some of the basics. These are some of the best practices to make sure you'll get a great soundstage and imaging.

  • Make sure the speakers are away from the walls. Specific to Sonos, this will also help to reduce potential wireless signal loss.
  • You've gotta keep'em separated. As a general rule of thumb, place the speakers as far away from each other as the distance they'll be from where you'll be listening.
  • Keep them at ear level.


I have a Beam and two Play 1s in my living room, two more Play 1s in other rooms and a One in a bedroom.

I’m not looking to buy anymore speakers. Is there anyway to use a turntable with my setup?
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I have a Beam and two Play 1s in my living room, two more Play 1s in other rooms and a One in a bedroom.

I’m not looking to buy anymore speakers. Is there anyway to use a turntable with my setup?
Perhaps if you were to read the article that you quoted in full.

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