Sonos should offer a BBC iPlayer Radio App in the controller

  • 25 September 2014
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A lot of people have been asking for BBC iPlayer Radio. Since Sonos only appear to respond to new posts I have decided to suggest this again. 
None of the responses from Sonos on this is issue so far have been satisfactory. These have included:
- Apple Licensing. This is irrelevant and probably indicates that Sonos don't actually know what iPlayer Radio is.
- Use Apple AirPlay. No. I am not going to go and spend a load more money on some other system because the one I bought off you doesn't do what it is meant to do.
- Plug a separate source into a Sonos amp or speaker. No. This is meant to be a wireless system so I am not going plug a wire into it to make it work. Further, the system is meant to work from one control panel. That's one of the features. So I don't want to have to work it through two control panels.

What people want to know is if Sonos HAVE ANY PLANS TO PROVIDE iPlayer or is it just OFF THE TABLE? 

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BBC Iplayer radio went global in mid 2016 which means they have sorted out any licensing concerns. Sonos is at the end of the day a speaker system. There doesn't seem to be any reason why if iplayer is global that it cannot cast to Sonos. I have made this point to bbc iplayer via their twitter feed and their direct email and hope they can update at some point.

Correct, there should be no reason. Sonos offers for free to any service a Music Partners integration package for inclusion in the Sonos app (http://musicpartners.sonos.com/?q=node/21), and they have recently released a new API which allows control of Sonos speakers from third party apps (http://press-us.sonos.com/134980-sonos-with-partners-and-industry-leaders-ushers-in-new-era-of-connected-home-listening).

However, in the case of the first, Sonos cannot unilaterally add BBC content access to the Sonos app, they need the cooperation of the BBC or they are usurping licensing laws. For the second, they have no access to the BBC app, so there is no way they can implement it there even if they wished to usurp licensing laws.

In other words, Sonos support for the BBC lies in the hands of the BBC.
BBC Iplayer radio went global in mid 2016 which means they have sorted out any licensing concerns. Sonos is at the end of the day a speaker system. There doesn't seem to be any reason why if iplayer is global that it cannot cast to Sonos. I have made this point to bbc iplayer via their twitter feed and their direct email and hope they can update at some point.
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I checked and iplayer is downloadable and fully functional with international stream in the United States.
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Have you tried the streams in tunein
One of the possible factors in a BBC reluctance to integrate into the Sonos system might be (and I'm speculating here) an issue with licensing for various streams that they carry, in terms of international carriage. For instance, when I was in Thailand last year for the end of the F1 season, I could not get any BBC coverage of the last 3 races through TuneIn, either on my computer or the Sonos system I'd set up in my hotel room. The BBC carries a lot of things, and it strikes me that there's a strong possibility that they don't have the right to send everything in their ecosystem out of the UK.

If I recall, the BBC iPlayer is was (?) restricted to UK, and not available in the states. Not sure if that's still the case, though. I've given up on reliable content from the BBC, except as carried by my local NPR stations here in the San Francisco area.
jgatie, I have accepted sonos make no financial gains from service providers, that was not what I meant.
As above poster, there is a "marriage" if you like, between streaming device manufacturers and streaming services, they both gain, that's just good business for both right? drives sales for both, that's why apple have a sonos display in all their stores, they compliment each other.
I just can't see how the BBC can fit in this "marriage".


I apologize. Though you have to admit describing the fact "every service is paid for subscription" as "funny" and then stating "so everybody makes something out of it" could be interpreted as speculating Sonos makes something from the subscriptions. But if that is not the thinly veiled accusation you intended, then mea culpa.
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Yes BBC isn't all about driving sales so much but they don need to listen to customer input and therefore the best approach continues to be to ask BBC for support. Sonos appears well aware of customer desire and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they have approached BBC about including them in the BBC iplayer for direct streaming. Just like I expect they have gone to audible as well. But the BBC needs reason to put the time into integrating Sonos direct support into their app. Therefore plead your case to the BBC.
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jgatie, I have accepted sonos make no financial gains from service providers, that was not what I meant.
As above poster, there is a "marriage" if you like, between streaming device manufacturers and streaming services, they both gain, that's just good business for both right? drives sales for both, that's why apple have a sonos display in all their stores, they compliment each other.
I just can't see how the BBC can fit in this "marriage".
They will say their API is open to everyone.
Funny that every service is paid for subscription (we will see with Pandora), so everybody makes something out of it. The bbc cannot charge sonos users, and will not fund linking to every eco system out there, lg, sony heos etc etc
The bbc are already casting to the biggest, google cromecast, so sonos needs to join that through google home hopefully.


It is a good point Paulw123. BBC is not like the other streaming services and you are right that they can't support all the other systems.
I'm not sure what the issue with "makes something out of it" that the other poster has, when clearly Sonos makes money by selling units to subscribers of streaming services. Sonos sells boxes, services sell subscriptions. You are right, it is not the same thing with BBC.
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I'm not sure what a Faff is but probably not flattering. .

"Faff" means something that is a pain in the neck, needlessly complicated or convoluted. So it's fine!
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It is up to BBC users to push BBC to implement.
Paul,

You have been repeatedly corrected, in very plain English, by Sonos representatives, on your constant insinuations that Sonos somehow derives income from paid services. Once again, "everybody" most certainly does not "make something out of it" because Sonos makes nothing, no fees, no kickbacks, no anything from its music partners. Since you have been corrected multiple times before on this issue, I can't help but think you are no longer simply speculating, but have now moved on to willful misinformation.
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They will say their API is open to everyone.
Funny that every service is paid for subscription (we will see with Pandora), so everybody makes something out of it. The bbc cannot charge sonos users, and will not fund linking to every eco system out there, lg, sony heos etc etc
The bbc are already casting to the biggest, google cromecast, so sonos needs to join that through google home hopefully.
Can I add another plea for BBC iPlayer integration with SONOS systems? It's such a big gap in the UK market and means I won't be expanding my set up any further.
SONOS - can you break your silence and give us a statement on iPlayer please?
Bose is fine if Bluetooth is what you need. They don't have near as many music services, so native app support is a plus. But I suspect Sonos' Direct Control could tip the scales back in that area. The real problem is it's been plagued by reports of unreliability, and the entire SoundTouch line is on its third revamp since it was introduced in 2013. Three different versions in a little over 3 years would worry me, but good luck with your choice.
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I'm not sure what a Faff is but probably not flattering. Sonos isn't for every need. It fulfills the need of many people but some people will find other solutions are better for their situation. Doesn't mean Sonos is not the best option for other people's needs.
I've purchased a Bose. Sonos is far too much of a faff!

I also have a DJ set up in another room that was becoming too complicated to link to a sonos but with a Bose and a £20 Bluetooth transmitter this issue is resolved.

I'm a tech geek but within a day of looking into sonos I was dramatically put off.
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It's easier now for the.bbc because all they need to do is incorporate Sonos casting ability into the iplayer app like Spotify has done vs having to write new app for within the Sonos app. That is why users should make their voice heard with the BBC that they want this feature incorporated in their app.
I should clarify my original post, streaming BBC music stations works like a charm, just add them to Sonos Favourites and hey presto.

Where my issue lies is with the wealth of content from the 'listen again' feature of iPlayer. Some of this content is available through the TuneIn function but it is very limited.

There is a workaround I use by plugging my phone straight into the 'line in' port of a Play 5 and grouping other rooms. Not ideal but it still means I can listen all over the house.

I think someone earlier hit the nail on the head with the fact that we should probably be speaking to the BBC to request this functionality. There are several threads on this subject and replies from Sonos are fairly tight lipped, maybe they are pusuing this maybe not, but I think if the BBC went knocking themselves it would carry more weight? Just a thought.
I can not believe this.

I'm getting one a Play1 for Christmas. Or at least I was. All I wanted was to stream BBC Radio 6 Music to a decent wireless speaker. I've heard great things about Sonos but not being able to stream BBC. That's bananas!!

I agree, tunein app is terrible. Takes ages to connect and often crashes.

Come on Sonos. Listen to your market!!!


Sonos streams live BBC content just fine. It also streams some of the play again content, but not all. What it doesn't do is stream from iPlayer or have all the bells and whistles. If all you want is to stream BBC 6, Sonos does that just fine, regardless of the complaints in this thread.
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It is up to BBC to partner with Sonos. We have no idea if they are doing that or not. BBC would have to tell you.
I can not believe this.

I'm getting one a Play1 for Christmas. Or at least I was. All I wanted was to stream BBC Radio 6 Music to a decent wireless speaker. I've heard great things about Sonos but not being able to stream BBC. That's bananas!!

I agree, tunein app is terrible. Takes ages to connect and often crashes.

Come on Sonos. Listen to your market!!!
Would love Sonos integration into BBC iPlayer similar to how they've worked it with Spotify.

TuneIn Radio just doesn't cut it I'm afraid.

Come on Sonos!
Spotify Connect also requires premium (as in Connect on software/hardware outside of Sonos)
Well I don't know anything about pandora, so I missed that it would be free, we will see when it happens.
There was no mention that spotify had to be a premium account till the beta started yesterday.


Did you ever think that maybe you shouldn't speak with such authority about things which you know absolutely nothing about? Because your track record for truth is pretty poor when it comes to Sonos and subscription services.