Playing Computer Audio Wirelessly to Sonos



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Glad I could help 🙂 as far as I can see the only other way of doing it would be using airplay, which would be either an Apple TV (£99) or an AirPort Extreme (£79) and it means you need to have something plugged in, taking up an extra power socket etc etc... Also it's not very usable for our windows friends Lewis
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I don't understand why the people here who are frustrated don't just share their music folder on their regular WiFi network then add that folder in to the Sonos system under the Music Library settings. I've just done this and I can now browse that folder and play the music. Am I missing something?
I don't understand why the people here who are frustrated don't just share their music folder on their regular WiFi network then add that folder in to the Sonos system under the Music Library settings. I've just done this and I can now browse that folder and play the music. Am I missing something?
Yeah, these people are complaining that they can't stream music from their computers, eg YouTube, and also that the delay is too big for using sonos as computer speakers, (for watching videos etc). To be honest, in my opinion this is not what the system is designed for, and the lag will always be too big, that's how synced music to different rooms work!
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Thanks Lewis, yes I see the point re play of content streamed via the PC then onto Sonos as opposed to using the PC as a filestore. Doesn't bother me I have to say but I guess it's about expectations and what people thought they were getting
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Thanks Lewis, yes I see the point re play of content streamed via the PC then onto Sonos as opposed to using the PC as a filestore. Doesn't bother me I have to say but I guess it's about expectations and what people thought they were getting
It's not what people thought they were getting it's what people want! basically Sonos is a better than average mono PA system (sometime Stereo) in your opinion Lewis that is not what the system is used for but not in everyones opinion!! with the cost of these components we expect everything!!
It seems to me that SONOS is 10 years behind: it just reminds me of Microsoft
As it is i have paid 199 € (PLAY 1 with "free" bridge) to have one "closed" system that allows me just to listen to music. No streaming, no you tube, no web tv...
And no movies on my PC .
So  i'll have to restore my old system which has a bad packaging, a (slightly) lower sound quality, is less expensive)  but, at least, can be used to listen to every source. 
I deeply regret having bought the SOnos system
I am astonished: maybe Sonos think we're still in 2001.
As it is I have spent 199 € (christmas promotion) to buy a closed system that makes me able to listen to make playlist and listen to music through a wifi (but non hifi) speaker.
No streaming, no you tube, no web tv !
and no movies !
so i'll have to restore my old speakers and amps, with bad packaging, slightly worse sound but less expensive and much much more friendly, open and useful.
 I'll spread words on blogs and with friends.
Agreed, I need to stream sounds from my system because I use music production software. The fact that I can't work on a track in my home and quickly see what it sounds like through my sound system makes me want to return the product. I have searched the web for other solutions and found many different topics in this very forum full of people complaining about the same thing. Come on Sonos, pull your finger out. I like your product, but not enough to go without a simple functionality as this.
I am currently in the process of building a home. It was my original plan to install SONOS throughout the entire house. After testing basic functionality with the PLAY:1, I was impressed with the audio quality. I was in love with the whole idea until I went to try audio from a computer. I am very disappointed in the fact that this is not a feature. I know I can stream audio with third party software, but I don't like delay or extra hassle. I honestly hope that the SONOS software is updated to support this. But realistically I'm not sure how long I'm willing to hold out. 
If streaming audio output is that important, a bridge can be purchased to connect the audio output and then stream it.

People are complaining about a feature that is not claimed in the specs.  Don't get mad at Sonos.  Would you get mad at Ford because your new Focus doesn't fly?  I would say no.  If yes, there are other issues involved.

Obviously nobody that is complaining did their research.  Expecting a product to do something it cannot do and then complaining about it is childish.  You wouldn't buy a television and be mad because it didn't play the radio over it.

Technology is a great thing, but people today are taking it for granted and expecting everything to just "work" they way they desire.  Does a product exist that does what you want?  I don't know.  But for me, it is a very good solution for what it is intended for, "A Home Audio System".  That audio can be streamed from your PC through the Sonos software, but it does not do application audio.

Next time, do a little research.
I think this point has already been made on this page somewhere, but if we must mention it again then so be it. It's not about research. We are simply telling Sonos what their customers want.

We live in a market driven world, we are the market. If Sonos wants to survive, they need to listen to us - the people that drive their business and keep it alive. This shouldn't be a difficult addition to their controllers, and it looks like it's a huge negative for Sonos at the moment.

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I think this point has already been made on this page somewhere, but if we must mention it again then so be it. It's not about research. We are simply telling Sonos what their customers want.

We live in a market driven world, we are the market. If Sonos wants to survive, they need to listen to us - the people that drive their business and keep it alive. This shouldn't be a difficult addition to their controllers, and it looks like it's a huge negative for Sonos at the moment.

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I agree. We're not asking a car to fly. We're asking a system which wirelessly streams sound to do so directly from our computers -- to the technologically unsophisticated, a seemingly small stretch from its current functionality. A better analogy is perhaps owning a car which only turns left, and the manufacturer expecting us to make three lefts to turn right.

I'm fine with Sonos not providing this enhancement, so long as Sonos can tell us why we're unreasonable to expect them to do so. Far as I can tell, nobody from Sonos has actually spoken up and told us why our expectations are unrealistic.Perhaps the various operating systems don't allow access to the general audio-out signal ...

Btw, I'm 100% happy w what Sonos currently does, just wish it could do a bit more for me. I'm not about to throw it in the garbage and swap to something else. You'd have to pry it from my cold, dead hands first!
I think this point has already been made on this page somewhere, but if we must mention it again then so be it. It's not about research. We are simply telling Sonos what their customers want.

We live in a market driven world, we are the market. If Sonos wants to survive, they need to listen to us - the people that drive their business and keep it alive. This shouldn't be a difficult addition to their controllers, and it looks like it's a huge negative for Sonos at the moment.

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I will tell you, from an IT prospective, handling wireless audio on a PC (my experience Win7) is tricky.  I have bluetooth added to my laptop and some apps refuse to address it as an audio output.  PCs doi not know how to send sound signals over a network without a conversion of sorts.  There needs to be a driver that works with your OS that can mimic a hardware device to output the audio through an alternate channel.  Unless the application generating the audio can address the network and stream the audio signal directly I am unsure what would need to be done.

Technology is great, but those of us in the industry work very hard to make it so simple and flexible.  And at times all we get is, why can't it do this or work like that, it should be easy, right.  I might as well tell my mechanic I want a Hemi in my Civic.  Should be easy, its just an engine, right?

I guess my frustration stems from people who have seemingly bought the product and are dissatisfied with its lack of this feature when it was not part of the product.  The Connect (http://www.sonos.com/shop/products/connect), while price, should work.  All you need is optical out or an audio Y cable to convert to stereo RCA jacks.  It is geared towards component stereo equipment, but it would work for the PC as well.

As to Sonos not responding, I find it few and far between on these forums that there is a company response to questions.

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I think this point has already been made on this page somewhere, but if we must mention it again then so be it. It's not about research. We are simply telling Sonos what their customers want.

We live in a market driven world, we are the market. If Sonos wants to survive, they need to listen to us - the people that drive their business and keep it alive. This shouldn't be a difficult addition to their controllers, and it looks like it's a huge negative for Sonos at the moment.

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Thanks to Reagan for expressing what is also my opinion, and thank you for your interest in our problems, jeffjones72

I'm not good at networks and audio on computers, but I can hardly think, that fixing this problem is as difficult as jeffjones72 indicates.

I installed one of the available radio broadcast applications, which broadcast the computer sound as a "normal" radio signal, which is picked up by the Sonos application.

Described in details here: https://ask.sonos.com/sonos/topics/can_you_use_a_play_1_as_a_computer_speaker

Nothing fancy, as I see it.

There is a lag, but I suspect it is because standard internet broadcasting needs some buffering, since connections are not always that stable. However, when you broadcast on your own system, it must be possible to reduce these buffers significantly, with less lag as a result.

However, this can only probably only be done, if Sonos implement a solution. (And much simpler solutions that creating a "radio-signal" is probably available, if implemented by Sonos).

Why they are not doing it? It is pretty straigt forward from a technological point of view, although I dont know how much the lag-problem can be reduced.

It is probably due to a "corporate decision". Maybe Sonos don't want to open up for other software accessing their hardware, cause that might, at the same time, open up for other hardware on their software; and who knows, ultimately other software on other hardware. From a commercial point of view, thats a legitimate concern, as I see it.

I'm just guessing wildly, of course. But I'm just trying to understand the situation.

 
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I disagree with Mark wholeheartedly.  It's not up to Sonos to offer a single solution to everyone's needs, it's up to the customer to buy the thing that will meet their needs.  This is the essence of "buyer beware."  I don't think anyone can argue "but I want you to do it and so do lots of others so therefore you should and you have failed if you haven't" on any product, whether it be a bag of nails or the latest nuclear submarine.  If this product doesn't do what you want, there are other products that do - go buy them.  Or there aren't - go without.  

If you have bought something that doesn't do what you want, examine why that is.  Perhaps you've been misled by advertising claiming to stream anything from anywhere to any Sonos device (I don't think so, but I don't know what Mark has seen).  Perhaps you've assumed that because it's wireless it'll stream from your PC (Jeff has explained why that's a false assumption).

Call me weird but I saw Sonos in the (specialist hi-fi) store, went home and researched it, figured out what it would take to get it to do what I want to do, talked it over with the guy in the store who took out one of the devices in my plan that I didn't need, I bought the rest, got it home, installed it and have loved it ever since.  No it's not cheap, but that's why you do the research.  Don't blame Sonos if you bought the wrong thing.
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I think this point has already been made on this page somewhere, but if we must mention it again then so be it. It's not about research. We are simply telling Sonos what their customers want.

We live in a market driven world, we are the market. If Sonos wants to survive, they need to listen to us - the people that drive their business and keep it alive. This shouldn't be a difficult addition to their controllers, and it looks like it's a huge negative for Sonos at the moment.

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I think this point has already been made on this page somewhere, but if we must mention it again then so be it. It's not about research. We are simply telling Sonos what their customers want.

We live in a market driven world, we are the market. If Sonos wants to survive, they need to listen to us - the people that drive their business and keep it alive. This shouldn't be a difficult addition to their controllers, and it looks like it's a huge negative for Sonos at the moment.

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One of the problems with this thread (aside from the silly "I'm going to take my business elsewhere!" threats) is that different people are talking about two completely different features. 
1) Can I physically connect Sonos to my computer and use it as audio out.
That is what the original poster was asking. Personally I think that's a silly use for Sonos, but that doesn't mean it's not a valid question. 

2) Can I stream audio from my computer to Sonos.
This actually seems to be the more popular request. There have been many posts on how to accomplish this but not many posters seem to be mollified by this as they simply want Sonos to do it without any effort on their part.
To them I would ask how exactly to you picture Sonos accomplishing that? They would have to a) include airplay like functionality in their hardware and b) develop software that you would have to install on each of your computers (and various phone OS's because no doubt you want that too) to direct audio out to their software drivers and c) provide some kind of UI that would allow you to select where you want your audio to do. 

I can stream audio from my mac and iOS devices to any Sonos unit in the house effortlessly. Why? Because I bothered to pay $30 for a used Airport Express. 

You can accomplish both of these things. Who cares if you have to leverage a "3rd party" solution if you happen to be on Windows? It friggin' works! Why are we still talking about this?? :) 
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I think this point has already been made on this page somewhere, but if we must mention it again then so be it. It's not about research. We are simply telling Sonos what their customers want.

We live in a market driven world, we are the market. If Sonos wants to survive, they need to listen to us - the people that drive their business and keep it alive. This shouldn't be a difficult addition to their controllers, and it looks like it's a huge negative for Sonos at the moment.

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"Why are we still talking about this?? :) "

Cause the solution I implemented (see above), don't work perfectly. There is a 0.5 sec. lag, which makes watching, say, Youtube a bit out of sync.

I guess, if Sonos implemented the solution in close coorporation with their existing software, this lag could be significantly reduced, again, see my arguments 20 min ago.

And when I think there is a solution to a problem I have on my computer, I cannot let it go.

Thats why I'm talking about this.
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I disagree with Mark wholeheartedly.  It's not up to Sonos to offer a single solution to everyone's needs, it's up to the customer to buy the thing that will meet their needs.  This is the essence of "buyer beware."  I don't think anyone can argue "but I want you to do it and so do lots of others so therefore you should and you have failed if you haven't" on any product, whether it be a bag of nails or the latest nuclear submarine.  If this product doesn't do what you want, there are other products that do - go buy them.  Or there aren't - go without.  

If you have bought something that doesn't do what you want, examine why that is.  Perhaps you've been misled by advertising claiming to stream anything from anywhere to any Sonos device (I don't think so, but I don't know what Mark has seen).  Perhaps you've assumed that because it's wireless it'll stream from your PC (Jeff has explained why that's a false assumption).

Call me weird but I saw Sonos in the (specialist hi-fi) store, went home and researched it, figured out what it would take to get it to do what I want to do, talked it over with the guy in the store who took out one of the devices in my plan that I didn't need, I bought the rest, got it home, installed it and have loved it ever since.  No it's not cheap, but that's why you do the research.  Don't blame Sonos if you bought the wrong thing.

. Play what you want in every room over a dedicated wireless network.  that is from their advertising blurb? that makes me assume you can play from the line out of your PC or ,Mac... you cant! jeffjones stated above "....if streaming audio output is that important, a bridge can be purchased to connect the audio output and then stream it...." no!
I have bought 4x play3 thinking that sonos will introduce this? the sound is reasonable but not HiFi & if anyone asks about buying the product I would say no! that would help their research!
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I disagree with Mark wholeheartedly.  It's not up to Sonos to offer a single solution to everyone's needs, it's up to the customer to buy the thing that will meet their needs.  This is the essence of "buyer beware."  I don't think anyone can argue "but I want you to do it and so do lots of others so therefore you should and you have failed if you haven't" on any product, whether it be a bag of nails or the latest nuclear submarine.  If this product doesn't do what you want, there are other products that do - go buy them.  Or there aren't - go without.  

If you have bought something that doesn't do what you want, examine why that is.  Perhaps you've been misled by advertising claiming to stream anything from anywhere to any Sonos device (I don't think so, but I don't know what Mark has seen).  Perhaps you've assumed that because it's wireless it'll stream from your PC (Jeff has explained why that's a false assumption).

Call me weird but I saw Sonos in the (specialist hi-fi) store, went home and researched it, figured out what it would take to get it to do what I want to do, talked it over with the guy in the store who took out one of the devices in my plan that I didn't need, I bought the rest, got it home, installed it and have loved it ever since.  No it's not cheap, but that's why you do the research.  Don't blame Sonos if you bought the wrong thing.

wow. just, wow. we're simply pointing out to sonos a perceived deficiency in their system and asking them to consider a feature addition, or kindly explain why we're unreasonable. radio silence from them is absolutely unacceptable. if they don't read and/or respond to their forums, what's the point?? for us to throw stones at each other all day?

a couple posters on here have perhaps implied they were mis-sold, but they're in the minority, and that's not the issue here.

and, Joel, we all already have their software coursing through our OS. i don't follow Jeff's reasoning why it can't be done. he infers it's difficult (no doubt), but not impossible. the question still lingers.

i'd be delighted to hear from somebody with either inside business knowledge who can comment on sonos' strategy or technological insight who can definitively explain why it can't be done directly. others with opinions as to why we're misguided idiots, please keep your opinions to yourselves.
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I think this point has already been made on this page somewhere, but if we must mention it again then so be it. It's not about research. We are simply telling Sonos what their customers want.

We live in a market driven world, we are the market. If Sonos wants to survive, they need to listen to us - the people that drive their business and keep it alive. This shouldn't be a difficult addition to their controllers, and it looks like it's a huge negative for Sonos at the moment.

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I'm not saying people shouldn't ask the questions and discuss possible solutions. You're obviously trying to make it work. But video introduces yet another problem. Even with Airplay there is a buffering lag, and video and Audio are out of sync a bit. because the audio is streaming to Sonos and the video is not. But if we're restricting the discussion to streaming audio from a computer or device to Sonos I think there are good solutions available. 

The "outraged and indignant customer" posts get a little repetetive though. Of course if it bothers me that much I suppose I can stop following the thread. :) 
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I disagree with Mark wholeheartedly.  It's not up to Sonos to offer a single solution to everyone's needs, it's up to the customer to buy the thing that will meet their needs.  This is the essence of "buyer beware."  I don't think anyone can argue "but I want you to do it and so do lots of others so therefore you should and you have failed if you haven't" on any product, whether it be a bag of nails or the latest nuclear submarine.  If this product doesn't do what you want, there are other products that do - go buy them.  Or there aren't - go without.  

If you have bought something that doesn't do what you want, examine why that is.  Perhaps you've been misled by advertising claiming to stream anything from anywhere to any Sonos device (I don't think so, but I don't know what Mark has seen).  Perhaps you've assumed that because it's wireless it'll stream from your PC (Jeff has explained why that's a false assumption).

Call me weird but I saw Sonos in the (specialist hi-fi) store, went home and researched it, figured out what it would take to get it to do what I want to do, talked it over with the guy in the store who took out one of the devices in my plan that I didn't need, I bought the rest, got it home, installed it and have loved it ever since.  No it's not cheap, but that's why you do the research.  Don't blame Sonos if you bought the wrong thing.

I agree it would be nice to hear more response from Sonos (as opposed to, say, me) one way or the other.
Yes it's possible for them to do it and it would be awesome if they did but it might be a little outside their core business model. But as you so correctly point out, it's Sonos you'd want to hear that from. 

Just curious, what Sonos components do you have and what OS do you want to stream from?
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I disagree with Mark wholeheartedly.  It's not up to Sonos to offer a single solution to everyone's needs, it's up to the customer to buy the thing that will meet their needs.  This is the essence of "buyer beware."  I don't think anyone can argue "but I want you to do it and so do lots of others so therefore you should and you have failed if you haven't" on any product, whether it be a bag of nails or the latest nuclear submarine.  If this product doesn't do what you want, there are other products that do - go buy them.  Or there aren't - go without.  

If you have bought something that doesn't do what you want, examine why that is.  Perhaps you've been misled by advertising claiming to stream anything from anywhere to any Sonos device (I don't think so, but I don't know what Mark has seen).  Perhaps you've assumed that because it's wireless it'll stream from your PC (Jeff has explained why that's a false assumption).

Call me weird but I saw Sonos in the (specialist hi-fi) store, went home and researched it, figured out what it would take to get it to do what I want to do, talked it over with the guy in the store who took out one of the devices in my plan that I didn't need, I bought the rest, got it home, installed it and have loved it ever since.  No it's not cheap, but that's why you do the research.  Don't blame Sonos if you bought the wrong thing.

I dwould also like to hear from Sonos as to why this cannot be achieved in simple language! this is a relaunch of the product & alas all I use it for no is a multipoint alarm clock, good as it soundswhat it provides is not why i want it
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Dear All With Sonos controller 4.2 installed on a PC look at the right click options on music/podcast files (whether wav or mp3). You will see the option to send the file to a speaker or a device, such as a connect. I find this a useful way to play non-indexed files though I accept it's not a workaround for UStream or to listen to beeps however, if it's on you computer you can broadcast it via the SonosNet. Never underestimate the power of a right click!
I disagree with Mark wholeheartedly.  It's not up to Sonos to offer a single solution to everyone's needs, it's up to the customer to buy the thing that will meet their needs.  This is the essence of "buyer beware."  I don't think anyone can argue "but I want you to do it and so do lots of others so therefore you should and you have failed if you haven't" on any product, whether it be a bag of nails or the latest nuclear submarine.  If this product doesn't do what you want, there are other products that do - go buy them.  Or there aren't - go without.  

If you have bought something that doesn't do what you want, examine why that is.  Perhaps you've been misled by advertising claiming to stream anything from anywhere to any Sonos device (I don't think so, but I don't know what Mark has seen).  Perhaps you've assumed that because it's wireless it'll stream from your PC (Jeff has explained why that's a false assumption).

Call me weird but I saw Sonos in the (specialist hi-fi) store, went home and researched it, figured out what it would take to get it to do what I want to do, talked it over with the guy in the store who took out one of the devices in my plan that I didn't need, I bought the rest, got it home, installed it and have loved it ever since.  No it's not cheap, but that's why you do the research.  Don't blame Sonos if you bought the wrong thing.

I see your point cmaryon, but something I feel that you are missing here is that, as a group of users discussing this, we are in fact forming a focus group. By discussing possible ways we would like their product to develop we are helping Sonos (should they choose to listen) to form new ideas to develop their product further.

Research is important, but so is listening to your customers.

For the record, I'm not dissatisfied with my Sonos. I just feel it could do more and like many others on here I'm interested in this topic because a functionality like this would improve my user experience when working with music production software.