Increase Sonos Favorites limit

  • 14 February 2013
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About the new Sonos Favorites feature...I like the idea very much, and planned to use it extensively, But it turns out there's a limit of...it appears to be 32 favourites? Seriously? That makes the concept almost completely useless to me.

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I'll second this. I quickly exhausted my favorites and was surprised to discover a limit and have to remove some. If there is going to be a limit imposed, explain that to me somehow (e.g. when I add my first favorite, or when I only have 10 left, or show 97/100).
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Given that Sonos devices have limited storage available to them, there's going to be a limit. Just like there's a music library song limit, among others. I agree that 32 is an extremely low number, especially when you can add ANY music item to the Favorites list... but for there to be no limit isn't going to happen.
Pretty much my view. The ability to add an infinite number of favorites kind of stretches the definition of "favorites." YMMV.
Is there a limit? WHAT? Thanks for letting me know, so I don't waste my time using this feature! I support removing this feature if the limit cannot be increased to... lets say... 512 items?
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Without some kind of limit (self-imposed or technical) then the favorites menu makes no sense - use library browsing or searching instead. 32 "things" is 32 albums, playlists or tracks... where I find this very useful is having the half-dozen "albums of the week" (I'm a whole-albums listener) or whatever is currently in heavy rotation. Yes, there are other features I'd rather have (access to tagging info), but it's a free upgrade with a bonus feature. Don't use if you don't like.
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I don't know what use cases Sonos were thinking of when they came up with this feature. I guess the question a discussion like this throws up is: "how did you think the favourites feature would be useful, and how does the current item limit lessen its usefulness?"
I appreciate the concept of favorites, and it is something I will use. However, the implementation could be improved.
  1. It is not clear that there is a limit (indicate this via a tip and/or a visual representation of the number of slots available)
  2. At any given time, I have about 50-100 songs/albums/artists that I'd like quick access to (increase the limit)
  3. I do not know how close I am to hitting the limit until the point at which I cannot add more (better indication of the number of favorite slots remaining)
  4. It was not clear to me how to remove a favorite. To add an item to favorites, I long press it. But to remove it, long press does not give you that option, you must instead hit "edit" and then long press. This is not consistent with removing an item from a playlist via a red x. (enable "remove" on long-press and/or add red x controls to edit mode)
  5. When my favorites are full, I cannot add another item and must go edit my favs list first. (let me replace an item instead)
I don't see any point in this either. I have several hundred CD's (and MP3 albums) and I thought I could finally get rid of them by just storing them as my favorites and access them through Spotify. Then I could just browse through my collection to find something to listen to. I added like 30 to discover I only have 3 left... I often have trouble coming up with something to listen to so searching Spotify is really not what I want. I would be happy with a flat list of several hundred favorites without search / filter. If I know what I'm looking for I'll just search Spotify. If somebody wants to just keep a handful of current favorites, that's ok, but it's no reason to limit other usage. Maybe favorites is not the correct word for it, but that's just semantics. I read that playlists have a limit of 10k items, so limited space really shouldn't be an issue.
PLEASE, PLEASE !!! Don't make yourself ridiculous whit this childish limit. We live in a world of gigabytes, how on earth did you came to the idea to limit a list to 32 items???????????? Do you have any technical reasons? You are producing a high quality, high reputation equipment - please dont behave childish! Ok, you at Sonos gave this task - sonos favorites - to a trainee, and he / she made this joke, but seriously, how long do you want us to enjoy this? So please wake up and correct this with the next realease! I reallly liked the sonos favorites at first. I have tousands of songs with over tousand artists - many of them are coming from compilations and there are many who I don't actually know, but I dont want to delete them to keep the compilations. I missed a place where I can browse my real favorit artists - just like a dedicated shelf for my favorite CDs - and this could be the sonos favorites: It works very nice: I have my favorit artists in one list and I can browse their albums, songs - very nice, thank you. But only 32 items, this makes the whole idea unusable. Suggestion: for those people, who like the idea to be limited, make an entry in the "settings" part of sonos, where the limit can be swiched off and on. Or just take out this limit completely! Sorry for getting emotional.
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Also, in my eyes, having more than 32 favourites would result in people needing to search in their 'Favourites' list, hence, defeating the purpose of it.


Just because you can't organize more than 32 items at a time for easy, searchless access doesn't mean that everyone has the same lack of organizational skills.

I ran into this issue today. Found this thread through a Google search.
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I am an avid sonos user and gifter. I have over 15 sonos products throughout my house and often give speakers as gifts. You couldn't find a bigger sonos fan or advocate than I. HOWEVER I too am bemused by the limit of favorites imposed. I find it terribly inconvenient. I am a music LOVER and it appears so are all of my family. Try sharing your favourites section with teenagers!! Frankly, it would be easier for Sonos to add extra allowable favourites than for me to convince those selfish bloodsuckers to not delete Mummy's music from the favourites category.
Have pity on us, give us more favs.
PLEASE
I'm a new SONOS user and find the limit of 32 favorites ridiculous and very inconvenient. The whole idea behind these music services is the ability to access a vast number of artists and songs. The favorites section for me eliminates the need to have go back and search a song I like. It's there at my finger tips. Debate it however you wish, a 32 song limit in today's world of the cloud puts SONOS back 10 years, Obviously it costs them money to add capacity, but just make the investment if that's what your customers want. Or you may find they don't remain customers for long. Why not just eliminate any and all pain points for your customers so they remain satisfied? If the hefty cost of admission to this service isn't already enough, then just charge for it. 32 is unreasonable. Why not bump up to 100 and be done with it??? Where is your marketing department?
What's really bemusing is how people try to define for "you" just how many favorites you should or should not have. No one is saying increase it to a 1000...but does it really create that big of a pain point for you if it allows for a bit more flexibility? 100? Why? And let me try and see if I can understand the last reply. Your objection to increasing the number of songs that could be stored in favorites (which some people are saying they would like) is because you lack the discipline to clean out your list and like to be restricted to 32? And that doesn't sound even remotely ridiculous to you? Having the ability to just press an icon in one step and having that song go directly into a favorites list is a real convenience and something that obviously "some" people would like. It is not the same as creating playlists to store groups of music. All I can tell you is I have a lot more than 32 favorites of a lot of things and very few instances where I am challenged to "like less." But I guess this is one of them. I would have liked to have more room, but if others actually prefer to have less freedom then that's fine. Why not cut favorites down to 5 and playlists to 8 or something. And exactly who and how would that be decided?
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People please, It's about quick easy access, when my hands are covered in flour and the guests arrive Quick! Favourites... Voila ambiance! If anyone writes back that I should have a dinner playlist I will surely scream. I have one, I'm sick of it and I'm just not sure of how much more of my life I can dedicate to creating playlists. Enough said, I suppose, no-one is listening anyway.

Sonos do listen

But I'm confused ass to why you're sick of your dinner Playlist but you wouldn't get sick of it when it's in the favourites?

TBH Your best bet is the Alexa voice control and then you can play what you like no matter what gunge you have on your hands
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Hello, I will change this over to the Ideas section so that it will be viewed as a feature request. I have also adjusted the title to reflect this. Thanks for the feedback!
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But I don't want the Sonos Favorites limit increased. I want it removed entirely.
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Irrespective of whether I agree with your point (and I suppose I do, if only theoretically), the Sonos representative should not have changed the thread header in a way that misrepresents my view.
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It seems to me the limit is exactly what I want. If the limit is increased we end up again in searching in the a favourites list and the advantage in quick finding an item has gone!
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"Don't use if you don't like." Now why didn't that occur to me? And the best part is, it makes this whole Ideas concept unnecessary!
Love the idea of favorites. But 32 is just too few. Especially when u have multiple users in a household and we want an immediately accessible list of consensus family favorites to quickly choose from to make a playlist for the afternoon, for example....that's how we use it and love it. To make it larger like 50-60, that would be more ideal understanding that memory does require a limit. Thx
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Yawn, It's quick access to your "favourites". If you have 1000 favourite things, they're not very special, are they. Yes, an indication of how many you have (other than the "getting close to the limit" message) would be useful, but the Sonos UX is all about minimalism (also good design). I love the favourites, I find it really useful (quick access to favourite artists and albums on heavy rotation, etc). It's a free feature. There's way more important things Sonos could be concentrating on.
Yawn, It's quick access to your "favourites". If you have 1000 favourite things, they're not very special, are they. Yes, an indication of how many you have (other than the "getting close to the limit" message) would be useful, but the Sonos UX is all about minimalism (also good design). I love the favourites, I find it really useful (quick access to favourite artists and albums on heavy rotation, etc). It's a free feature. There's way more important things Sonos could be concentrating on.
I agree. When you have thousands of favorites, it no longer fits the definition of "Favorites" (unless you are Richard Christy). I understand that some may want to use it under another definition, but IMHO "unlimited favorites" is too much of an oxymoron for Sonos to spend any time on. It's like developing a car stereo with 1000 preset station on the face.
jaipee - anything below 100 favorites is useless - for SONOS to implement this is technically easy, no excuses for not doing it - anyone not wanting to use favorites or use only a few, remains free to do that - as it stands, with only 32 favorites, this is seriously diminishing the practicality of Sonos - in fact Sonos should not only consider increasing the number of favorites, but develop the system to being able to order favorites, make tagged sub-chapters etc.etc. - as it stands now, this is a clearly underdevelopped aspect of Sonos
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You're right. This feature is under-developed. It was probably knocked up in an afternoon. And it's awesome as it stands. Oh, and most importantly, it's a. free, and b. an improvement on your original Sonos experience (unless you bought into Sonos in the last few months). But I guess, hundreds of favourites would negate the need for Sonos to provide for playlists, or searching, or browsing, or all the traditional ways to get at your music that other music players stop at...
There is absolutely no reason why there should be a limit of just 32 "favorites". Anyone trying to claim that anything above that number just doesn't qualify as a "favorite" and supposedly defeats the very notion is seriously mistaken: there are several people in most households, and they can have different tastes and preferences for not just music, but news. Trust me, with just 2 people in a household, me and my wife quickly found to have reached the limit of "favorites", as we like to have quick (instant) access to different news in different languages (there is Monocle for quick roundup of news, there is Bloomberg, CBS, PBS, BBC, EuroNews, etc) and don't want to type their names each time. Likewise, we have several techno, pop, jazz, salsa, and international music stations (Turkish, Azerbaijani, etc) that we like to listen to periodically throughout the day/week. 

Thus, expanding the Favorites is a necessity, and I propose that it be increased to at 100-150. I think each Sonos owner is very different from typical listener - we bought the very expensive SONOS systems because we wanted to depend less on the mainstream FM choices out there, and have a greater global variety that was possible thanks to the Internet. It means any given SONOS listener has a wider number of favorites than a typical person. It is not an exaggeration to say that SONOS users might like up to 50 "favorites" on average. Considering that a typical household is 3 people, that's about 150 "favorites".

Furthermore, it would be great if we could have some general categories, such as "News Radio", "Music Radio", "My Music Collection/Track List", etc.