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I understand that SonosNet is allegedly superior to Wi-Fi/AirPlay for streaming.. but I hope Sonos re-considers the decision to not implement AirPlay. Now with AirPlay 2 supporting HomeKit integration, I really do not desire purchasing a Sonos Connect & Airport Express for every room in order to stream to all of my Sonos speakers outside of the Sonos app and tie-in to HomeKit.
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Best answer by Jeff S 9 August 2018, 19:31

This is an older thread, but I wanted to post and update to make sure everyone knows that we've added AirPlay 2 support to Sonos. You can read more about the integration here.
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It's time. These speakers have enough technology inside to support airplay. And if they don't the boost or similar device should allow this to be enabled without buying more already expensive speakers.

AirPlay 2s multi room ability means the current "hack" (it's no solution) solution probably won't work. Come on Sonos, get with it. Your customers are Apple users and Apple users are your potential customers. Or just wait until Apple brings out a competitive product and watch customers like me replace Sonos with something that better integrates with my ecosystem.
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Hi everyone, a lot of great activity in here, glad to see you're all interested.

We’re encouraged by the dramatic improvements Apple has made to Airplay with Airplay 2, and we’re actively working with them to see how these improvements might deliver a great experience for Sonos owners. We don’t have specific details to share today, but we’re constantly pushing to bring new features and options to Sonos all the time.

When there's any news or plans available in the future we'll be sure to let you all know.
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I think not having AirPlay2 will be a deal killer for many. The SONOS iOS app is nice but I sometimes want to sit around and watch something on my iPad and still have good audio.

Now that's AirPlay2 can natively support multiroom audio in an easy to use manner which was the main use for the SONOS app really I fail to see why AirPlay won't be integrated. Look I get that AirPlay may not have the same fidelity as SONOS but usability comes first.

My girlfriend returned her Playbase and Play5 when she found out they couldn't do AirPlay. I'm AMAZED Apple is selling Sonos in their own stores...
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OK, I admit it, I am a frustrated Sonos customer. Looks like I did a mistake in trusting that Sonos has a sustainable vision, power and intelligence to execute on it.

Much like GoPro, Sonos managed to be the first generating a huge success in an innovative product niche but they seem to overestimate the uniqueness of their products, underestimate the speed of competitors and they seem to not understand (or ignore or patronize) part of their customers.

Let's face it, there are much better hifi wlan speakers with multiroom support available, that are maybe more expensive but not so expensive that someone, who is spending thousands to equip the house with (Sonos) speakers, wouldn't consider buying them (e.g. Dynaudio Xeos / Focus). On the lower end Amazon and Apple release their own speakers with maximum ecosystem integration.

Competitors software may lack some of the integration features of the Sonos app but it is most likely a matter of months until you can ask e.g Alexa to arrange playlists and play streams from any source in a set of rooms - and on IOS it will be likely the same for those supporting Airplay2 / HomeKit.

More than a year ago Play5 was released with microphones. Did I miss an announcement what they are for? Is it enough for a tech company to release yet another speaker every 1-2 years to stay ahead of the competition and survive? Except for cosmetic changes and one more streaming service every year that is only of very minor interest for the majority of users, what are the big improvements and new functionality in the IOS app (except trueplay)? Remember that it took months and years of begging until Sonos implemented a simple 'Repeat one' functionality into their playlists?

"We’re constantly looking for ways to improve the experience – with new products, new software and continually investing in ways to provide our customers with the best experience possible."

Above is part of Sonos' vision statement. I hear it but I don't see it executed.

In these days you are either innovative enough to make your own ecosystem a success, you are solvent enough to establish your ecosystem or you integrate with - and extend (and stay ahead of) capabilities of existing leading ecosystems.

For Sonos, with the exception of trueplay, I don't see the innovation (anymore) and I doubt they are solvent enough, so they should go for integration with ecosystems (what they partially did with Amazon). So it makes a lot of sense to integrate with Apple too - and "the best user experience", to quote Sonos, is a complete HomeKit integration.

If Sonos decides to continue to ignore the questions, wishes and worries of their users, an increasing number will hold back further purchases of Sonos products. Some might decide to sell now, before the public realizes that Sonos might be a dying ecosystem and resale value drops.

SONOS WAKE UP!!!
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Or just wait until Apple brings out a competitive product and watch customers like me replace Sonos with something that better integrates with my ecosystem.

Looks like that might happen with the announcement of the HomePod. I'm dubious it's as good as the advanced Sonos speaker setups, but it looks to be better than the Play 1 - Play 5 AND will support AirPlay 2.
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SONOS, please listen to your customers and make their wish reality. Your speakers are not cheap to fear about paying Apple Airplay royalties.
I am certainly holding off indefinitely of buying another SONOS product until there's some announcement about Airplay support. If it doesn't arrive till the end of the year, I will switch entirely to HomePods.
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Regardless of only needing one Connect, I would prefer AirPlay included on the speaker firmware to avoid having an AirPort Express in each room. AirPlay 2 was just announced with minimal details, but it appears that the AppleTV will act as the controller/hub.. Having the added capability is the superior option because I can stream with Sonos when I want a higher quality listening experience, and for all other needs AirPlay for the win. I'm assuming it comes to a licensing/money issue for why Sonos has chosen not to implement, because other manufacturers are doing it and from a usability perspective, it's not confusing and "just works".
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I hope Sonos becomes more responsive to customers. I had already been holding off on future purchases since I had to kluge together support for AirPlay using a Connect and Denon receiver. My other biggest issue was wanting voice control for times I have my hands full or am in the shower etc. With the HomePod announcement, Apple has solutions to both these issues. I'm strongly considering switching. Apple put a shot across Sonos's bow and called Sonos out by name.
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I mentioned Bose as I would rate their sound quality, in case there is the assumption the homepod would be inferior. I went with sonos as they "integrated" with spotify (if we can call it that, you can't group speakers in spotify, nor can you change an individual speaker's volume. that coupled with the volume issue is just icing on the cake.

So if I can press one of 6 buttons on a Bose to play a given playlist on a given set of speakers without getting my phone out, fantastic, couple that with being to group, ungroup and set volume individually without loading an app up...

The nicest part of the Spotify "integration" is when you're in spotify, and want to add a speaker to the group and set the volume, it pops up the sonos app and you can add a speaker to the group but not set volumes, so you click out, return to spotify, press the home button, launch the sonos app, which is still on the grouping screen, go to the main screen, then go to the now playing screen, then the volume control then you can finally set a speaker's volume.

Smooth.


I'm just not interested in jumping ship from Sonos as I truly love the sound quality and the grouping features within the Sonos App. The inclusion of AirPlay 2 support would also allow multi-room playing without the kludginess of the Sonos app though. What are the volume issues you have? I definitely notice that switching inputs keeps the volume at what it was for the previous input which is irritating. I'd like to set a default per input.
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It would seem to me that the easiest integration may be one which hasn't been discussed in this thread yet. A new Bridge which is AirPlay2 compatible. With internal computing power becoming less expensive, Sonos could design an effective AirPlay server so as to pass music streaming to each speaker using it's current streaming protocol. This would allow for users to replace a single piece of their Sonos network and implement AirPlay at each speaker. (it at least seems possible in theory, considering AirPlay server hacks are already available).
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P.S. I made this thread a question and marked my post as an answer. That way it's right up there and easy to find if anyone goes looking for an "official reply". Please do keep up the discussion though.
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I mentioned Bose as I would rate their sound quality, in case there is the assumption the homepod would be inferior. I went with sonos as they "integrated" with spotify (if we can call it that, you can't group speakers in spotify, nor can you change an individual speaker's volume. that coupled with the random full volume issue is just icing on the cake.

So if I can press one of 6 buttons on a Bose to play a given playlist on a given set of speakers without getting my phone out, fantastic, couple that with being to group, ungroup and set volume individually without loading an app up (Airplay 2)...

The nicest part of the Spotify "integration" is when you're in spotify, and want to add a speaker to the group and set the volume, it pops up the sonos app and you can add a speaker to the group but not set volumes, so you click out, return to spotify, press the home button, launch the sonos app, which is still on the grouping screen, go to the main screen, then go to the now playing screen, then the volume control then you can finally set a speaker's volume.

Smooth.
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I think not having AirPlay2 will be a deal killer for many. The SONOS iOS app is nice but I sometimes want to sit around and watch something on my iPad and still have good audio.

Now that's AirPlay2 can natively support multiroom audio in an easy to use manner which was the main use for the SONOS app really I fail to see why AirPlay won't be integrated. Look I get that AirPlay may not have the same fidelity as SONOS but usability comes first.

My girlfriend returned her Playbase and Play5 when she found out they couldn't do AirPlay. I'm AMAZED Apple is selling Sonos in their own stores...


My thoughts exactly.. it's a huge drawback. Although it's not been a deal killer for me, I'm still hopeful Sonos will listen. What is yet to be seen with AirPlay 2/HomePod and multi-room support is the ability to stream multiple streams from Apple Music to different speaker groups. With Sonos, I can start Apple Music within the Sonos app and push two different songs/stations/playlists to multiple speakers or groups. I can then leave the house and it all keeps playing. Not sure that AirPlay 2 or the HomePod will implement this out the gate.
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I'm AMAZED Apple is selling Sonos in their own stores...

I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Apple quietly starts removing Sonos from the retail locations.
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And it never fails that any time someone makes a feature request, they get dumped on by the fanboys that think their company of choice is perfect and can do no better.. until they introduce a feature on their own accord.

It would be interesting to see a feature request page that could have a voting system like what Sophos uses for their feature requests. It helps to know what they want to focus their developers on potentially.
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Apple HomePod + Sonos with AirPlay 2 would rock, hopefully it's just a firmware upgrade

There's only two problems with Sonos

1) Apple Home Kit / Siri integration for us Apple fans (thanks for Apple Music support btw)

2) My wife won't let me buy any more Sonos speakers, I need 4 more Sonos Play 5 speakers 😃
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And BTW, I don't want Airplay to impress people who visit. I would use it all the time. I play a lot of podcasts, so have playlists set up on my phone. It would be great to continue listening when I get home on my Sonos(s). Yes, I can access podcasts through the app but it's not as simple as a podcast app on the phone. It would be soooooo much simpler if I could just pickup where I left off.
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Note that you only need one AirPlay capable device, connected into the Line-In of a CONNECT (or PLAY:5, or CONNECT:AMP), to stream AirPlay to any or all of your SONOS speakers. That's one of the strengths of the SONOS system. If you want multiple AirPlay streams in different rooms, you'll need multiple AirPlay devices.

I don't disagree that native AirPlay support would be nice, for when there's no alternative. For all cases where there is an alternative, SONOS's approach (where the speakers autonomously stream content without requiring the controller) is greatly superior -- and I have extensive experience of using both.
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I hope Sonos becomes more responsive to customers. I had already been holding off on future purchases since I had to kluge together support for AirPlay using a Connect and Denon receiver. My other biggest issue was wanting voice control for times I have my hands full or am in the shower etc. With the HomePod announcement, Apple has solutions to both these issues. I'm strongly considering switching. Apple put a shot across Sonos's bow and called Sonos out by name.

I found it interesting they called them out as not being a smart speaker, but I think Sonos has made great strides in introducing lots of cool software updates. I doubt the HomePod will be able to touch the quality of having a Playbar, two Plays, and a sub.. The microphone inclusion might be nice but my phone & watch already do that. Time will tell.

I just hope they decide to implement AirPlay 2 support. My next option would be to setup an "AirPlay server", with an AirPort Express key and modified Sonos firmware for a hacked solution to AirPlay streaming. I don't think that will work for the HomeKit integration though.
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+1 for AirPlay 2 support. I often use the Airport Express plugged in to a Connect Amp hack currently.

For me, the biggest reason to support AirPlay is that I don't like using the Sonos app to browse and play my music. I want to be able to use the Apple Music app. The app I use when I'm not in the house. It's the app I prefer for it's rich UI and full feature set (soon to increase again with iOS 11).

Convenience of sending tunes to wireless speakers from the Apple Music app or Control Center is a big factor in comparing Sonos to alternatives.

Granted, we don't know all of the technical details about AirPlay 2 yet - I hope music can be streamed from the cloud directly to AirPlay 2 devices (like Sonos does) rather than having to go via an iOS device / Mac.

I'd also like to be able to use my Sonos system in conjunction with my other HomeKit accessories. For example, starting a radio station if motion is detected between 7 and 9am on a week day.

Sonos, give us Apple users the tight integration that we'd like. Be the inclusive ecosystem you claim to be.
Assuming Airplay 2 meets Sonos' expectations for appropriate quality for streaming, I'd be in favor of adding it as an option. Would reduce about 50% of the posts in these boards, I think 🙂

Apples strength is Software + Hardware.


Apple's strength is huge margins on less advanced products, and a large user base dumb enough to not understand this.
Sonos' doom has been forecast on here for 10 years, because of its lack of Airplay. Sonos is already a multiroom, multisource, multicontroller system, with superior technology to Airplay. May Sonos never touch Airplay with a bargepole.
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What about Bose (and their whole home audio that supports airplay 2)?
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Gee, a thread predicting Sonos' doom for not supporting an Apple implementation that may accomplish what Sonos did flawlessly back in 2005? Now where have I heard that before?

It's not about doom. But its common for companies to see sales stall or contract when a former partner decides to enter the market themselves. What happened to all the other players after Apple & MS entered the mp3 player market? Being the incumbent doesn't make you entitled.