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+1 for AirPlay 2/HomeKit support. This isn't an area where Apple and Sonos would compete, but rather complement each other.
Sonos have missed the boat with voice. Where is Alexa-alike support?

Sonos missed the boat with their own app eco system. Why isn’t their a stream to sonos sdk? (Missed revenue!)

Sonos forces up-sell to Play 5 for line in support with no support for virtual line in.

Sonos did ok with their Spotify Connect support but you cannot stop.

Innovate or integrate please Sonos.

AirPlay 2 will buy you time.
Sonos have missed the boat with voice. Where is Alexa-alike support?

Coming October 4th


Sonos missed the boat with their own app eco system. Why isn’t their a stream to sonos sdk? (Missed revenue!)

There is, you are very uninformed.


Sonos did ok with their Spotify Connect support but you cannot stop.


Stay tuned.


Innovate or integrate please Sonos.


Please name ONE multiroom system that's even remotely as innovative as Sonos.


AirPlay 2 will buy you time.


If you were paying attention at all, you will have read the Sonos rep's response above.
Sigh.
Have bought Sonos home theatre recently, mostly happy with them, and the only downside is what's mentioned in this thread: no airplay support

While Sonos app is great and has lots of contents within, not being able to simply play any music from other apps in my mobile is frustrating. Yes there are alternative methods e.g. Apple TV which I happen to own one, but for a high price audio speaker brand like Sonos, I expect simpler ways. And many times I just want to listen to music, but if I play through Apple TV, I have to turn on my television otherwise there's no audio output.

Thinking of returning my Sonos speakers if couldn't see any improvements recently. Preventing ur customers from using ur speakers through other apps is really not a wise thought.

Btw: Does anyone know is it possible to use Sonos speakers as the audio output of my windows laptop? It's not as urgent problem as airplay but would still be happy if it's feasible.
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You can use this https://sourceforge.net/projects/aircast-airupnp/ and you'll have AirPlay on your Sonos players. Just set the latency parameter to the 1000:2000 for Sonos and that'll work
I will be selling my Sonos surround setup due to lack of airplay support.

I've enjoyed the Sonos experience until now, but other solutions that include airplay support offer a more compelling experience for me from my many apple devices.


Perhaps you didn't read the designated answer in this thread, a post from a Sonos rep confirming that they are actively working with Apple concerning Airplay 2 support? :8
That's ok, Sonos loves second hand sales. The new owners actually want the product, and tend to buy more. Anything to get them in the family.
FYI, this was announced officially today. :)

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/4/16418944/sonos-airplay-2-support-apple-ios-siri-2018
Sonos have missed the boat with voice. Where is Alexa-alike support?

Coming October 4th


Sonos missed the boat with their own app eco system. Why isn’t their a stream to sonos sdk? (Missed revenue!)

There is, you are very uninformed.


Sonos did ok with their Spotify Connect support but you cannot stop.


Stay tuned.


Innovate or integrate please Sonos.


Please name ONE multiroom system that's even remotely as innovative as Sonos.


AirPlay 2 will buy you time.


If you were paying attention at all, you will have read the Sonos rep's response above.


@ chicks,

The official announcement of the Play:1 for Alexa support was on October 4th ... not many new about it prior to then. You can't blame the person you quoted based on their post September 12, 2017.

Comparable Competition to Sonos ... Naim [NAIM MU-SO QB: AirPlay, Spotify Connect, UPnP, Tidal, Bluetooth, USB, optical digital, analogue, Wi-Fi, ethernet & multi-room] , Bang & Olufsen (which supports AirPlay), Devialet Phantom, MASTER & DYNAMIC, and a few more. Seems you maybe uninformed? What a quality wireless speaker can play and connect to in terms of features/services ... is a matter of software and licensing agreements (including using a services, or API's brand). Either Sonos enables more of these through the strong demand of their customers or soon enough they'll loose these customers to others that will. That's free enterprise, not sure why anyone would want otherwise.


Hi everyone, a lot of great activity in here, glad to see you're all interested.

We’re encouraged by the dramatic improvements Apple has made to Airplay with Airplay 2, and we’re actively working with them to see how these improvements might deliver a great experience for Sonos owners. We don’t have specific details to share today, but we’re constantly pushing to bring new features and options to Sonos all the time.

When there's any news or plans available in the future we'll be sure to let you all know.


The official Sonos rep response is vague and non-descript in full thus non-conclusive.

AppleInsider:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/10/04/sonos-announces-support-for-apples-airplay-2-wireless-standard-coming-in-2018

Announced by Sono's Allen Mask at a media event in New York, AirPlay 2 support means users will be able to control Sonos speakers via HomeKit and Siri, directing music to the hardware via their voice.

AirPlay 2 support for Sonos devices is scheduled to arrive next year, Mask said.

"There had to be a seamless connection between Sonos and Apple, and so we waited until we could get it right, together," he said.

The addition of AirPlay 2 will let users control their entire Sonos system by just speaking. In an onstage demonstration, Mask showed how a user could interact with a Sonos speaker to skip ahead to a next track playing on a wirelessly connected iPad.

Support for AirPlay 2 is systemwide, meaning users can have sound come through Sonos speakers when not only listening to music, but also playing videos, games or apps.



TheVerge:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/4/16418944/sonos-airplay-2-support-apple-ios-siri-2018

Sonos just announced that it’ll be adding support for Apple’s new AirPlay 2 standard to its speakers next year. In addition to making it easier to play music from iOS devices, AirPlay 2 means that — much like the recently announced Alexa support — users will be able to use Siri on iOS devices and eventually Apple’s HomePod to control their Sonos systems.

AirPlay 2 also enables multi-room support for AirPlay speakers, meaning that you’ll be able to integrate Sonos devices with other AirPlay 2 speakers for a seamless experience across your home — including Apple’s HomePod, which was originally announced as a competitor to Sonos’ devices.

Unlike the original AirPlay, AirPlay 2 doesn't require special hardware anymore, but is entirely software-based, which allows for companies like Sonos to add support to their devices after the fact.


For those Sonos owners participating in this thread that are against AirPlay for whatever reason or not ... you need to think beyond your lifestyle or the conveniences we all have and consider those with no arms or ability to use their arms and feet. I'm not joking on this either ... born, war veterans/casualties, those suffered in major car, plane, train accidents etc. They have the right like all of us to enjoy their music, audio books, computer and TV/Movies as sound coming through their Sonos speakers as well.

For those of you that think AirPlay was a failure clearly have no idea what AirPlay enables and how it intergrates into HomeKit ... especially for someone that's a quadraplegic ... such as Todd:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PoE9tHg_P0

Have a look ... and think ... how an AirPlay speaker would help him using a computer: reading accessibility via Voice while in another room, door bell ringing over loud music he could be listening too, home theatre, enhancing a video call.

Man some people need to get out of their own world to consider the benefits of enabling a simple API or feature that an existing hardware can support, support well, and enhance lives beyond just convenience.
So, since the Connect and Amp aren't speakers, they seem outside of the scope of the announcement, but sounds like no Airplay 2 for them???
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They will play Airplay 2 if they are group with Sonos One, Plabase, or Play:5g2.

ON their own they dont' have the processing power to decode the airplay stream (has nothing to do with them actually being speakers). If we see a Connect gen2 or Amp gen2 they will do airplay natively then.
I understand that SonosNet is allegedly superior to Wi-Fi/AirPlay for streaming.. but I hope Sonos re-considers the decision to not implement AirPlay. Now with AirPlay 2 supporting HomeKit integration, I really do not desire purchasing a Sonos Connect & Airport Express for every room in order to stream to all of my Sonos speakers outside of the Sonos app and tie-in to HomeKit.

I'm streaming Tidal from my laptop via AirPlay and it sounds great. I think downsampling the masters still results in a superior sound. Thoughts?
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This is an older thread, but I wanted to post and update to make sure everyone knows that we've added AirPlay 2 support to Sonos. You can read more about the integration here.
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What about Bose? I don't own Bose speakers. I prefer my Sonos.
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... to avoid having an AirPort Express in each room ...

Two points:

1. You do not need an AirPort Express in each room. You only need one AirPort Express, located near and plugged in to a CONNECT or a PLAY:5, per simultaneous AirPlay stream.

2. You only need an AirPort Express if you want to stream music from a service SONOS does not support.
Is Airplay 2 just rebranded Play-Fi? With all the existing Play-Fi members listed as partners I have to wonder if Apple really produced anything new as opposed to just co-opting existing technology.

Also what is the release date for this? I assume it will be available a lot sooner than the Homepod?


My OP for this thread did nothing of the such. And if you read the thread you're bashing, you'll see where myself and others post how it's not so flawless.

I just want to raise my voice to a need that myself and others desire and for what purpose.


Unless I quoted your OP, you can assume I wasn't addessing it directly. I was specifically speaking to the poster who predicted loss of sales and a sell off by current Sonos owners due to its "dying ecosystem", followed by "SONOS WAKE UP!"
Sigh.... heard it all a thousand times. Sonos does all I need of it (including Netflix audio via Playbar). But I understand that other people have different needs. I don't know whether Sonos has the right business strategy. What amazes me are the number of people who have never run as much as a whelk stall who think they know the best strategy for a multi-billion dollar global tech company. I declare my ignorance.
And it never fails that any time someone makes a feature request, they get dumped on by the fanboys that think their company of choice is perfect and can do no better.. until they introduce a feature on their own accord.

It would be interesting to see a feature request page that could have a voting system like what Sophos uses for their feature requests. It helps to know what they want to focus their developers on potentially.


They've had voting in the past. It was useless because it was too easily gamed. Just the fact that one of the largest voting blocks was the 2% of the market that was Windows Phones users is proof of that.

That aside, I'm sure Sonos has the marketing data it needs to make the right decision. Afterall, they didnt support Airplay before, saving the millions of dollars Bose spent in support costs and redesign efforts from having to drop it from their line of streamers due to poor reliability and performance.

We will see if Airplay 2 improves on the negatives of Airplay 1, which was obsolete the day it was released.
And from memory: multi room was available on Airplay back in 2011 as well, but it was limited to "same music in all rooms" and, as I found, subject to many drops particularly in that kind of use.
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Gee, a thread predicting Sonos' doom for not supporting an Apple implementation that may accomplish what Sonos did flawlessly back in 2005? Now where have I heard that bevor?
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Unless I quoted your OP, you can assume I wasn't addessing it directly. I was specifically speaking to the poster who predicted loss of sales and a sell off by current Sonos owners due to its "dying ecosystem", followed by "SONOS WAKE UP!"



You must be the big exception if your needs didn't change since 2005. My needs and wishes change with advances in technology that allow for new possibilities. I want state of the art intelligent home integration and I bet many others do.

As you stated, in 2005 Sonos had an exceptional offer and could therefore behave like they do with no harm but that is no longer the case! So yes, I stand with my words, they will struggle if they don't adapt quickly to changes in ecosystems and don't stick to what they promise in their vision statement!
Now that I have read a little about HomePod, a question:
Isn't one now left with a choice between Alexa powered Sonos on the one hand, and HomePod/Airplay 2 on the other? Why have a mish mash? Alexa or Siri, surely?
And on the HomePod subject, a quote:
"Put another HomePod in the same room, and the two automatically detect and balance each other — for sound that’s even more lifelike."
I also read about something like Trueplay. So it would seem that for sound quality Apple will do better than Amazon. It would be interesting to see how two HomePods stack up against a stereo pair of play 1 units. How does "detecting and balancing" stack up against good old stereo imaging?
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What amazes me are the number of people who have never run as much as a whelk stall who think they know the best strategy for a multi-billion dollar global tech company. I declare my ignorance.

I know - and expressed (in my posting) common sense.
One fundamental problem with not supporting Airplay is the catch-up game that Sonos has to play with app developers. Each time a new app is invented that supports sound, Sonos has to specifically support it by including it in their app. For instance, the big hit with tweens is the Musicology app, not supported by Sonos. Its an uneven match that basically hurts Sonos' customers.

It seems common sense to me that implementing Airplay 2 would only increase the possible user base, while retaining the qualities of the Sonos ecosystem.