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Haven't most of us dumped the Bridge in favor of direct WiFi? I do agree though that if that was all it takes to implement AP2, I would happily reintroduce the Bridge.
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It would seem to me that the easiest integration may be one which hasn't been discussed in this thread yet. A new Bridge which is AirPlay2 compatible. With internal computing power becoming less expensive, Sonos could design an effective AirPlay server so as to pass music streaming to each speaker using it's current streaming protocol. This would allow for users to replace a single piece of their Sonos network and implement AirPlay at each speaker. (it at least seems possible in theory, considering AirPlay server hacks are already available).
The early reports are that it beats the Play 3 in sound quality. I own four Play 1's, and the minute the HomePod hits the market they're all going up for sale. Well it sounded like it was an Apple staged demo, with Apple choosing the demo music and controlling volumes. And the Play:3 is Sonos' oldest and least impressive speaker. So having never done your own comparison you are ready to dump Sonos? How odd. Sonos don't have a monopoly on good sound so I'll be interested to hear which sounds better. By actually listening to it.
Just adding my tuppence worth. I filled my house with play:1s because I wanted a cheap multi room system with decent sound quality. I use spotify exclusively as my music source. This all works almost 100% perfectly. But I really wish Sonos would implement airplay (and now that airplay 2 has been announced, airplay 2).

I listen to podcasts on my iphone using an app (downcast) to download the podcasts so I have them locally on the device. I just want to play those podcasts, from my phone, on my decent speakers. That's all. I don't want to have to buy an airport express and a play:5 or a connect (costing many hundreds of pounds). I don't want to hack together a raspberry pi or other pc as a work around.


But you can do this:

How to listen to Podcasts on Sonos

Have a favorite podcast you want to listen to on Sonos? Browse and play podcasts on-demand using Radio by TuneIn. You can also download podcasts to your computer or mobile device, or use another available streaming service on Sonos to stream your favorites.


Streaming podcasts from the Internet

Radio by TuneIn comes preconfigured on your Sonos system with a large catalog of podcasts to choose from. Use the search bar, making sure to search under “Podcasts & Shows” to find your favorite podcasts and shows, or browse what’s available by selecting Radio by TuneIn > Talk.

Depending on your geographical location, there are other music services you can add to Sonos that allow you to stream podcasts as well. Stitcher and Spreaker are two services that are available globally that have a vast podcast catalog. Find out what other streaming music services are available on our website.



Streaming podcasts from your computer

Sonos can play podcasts that have been downloaded to your computer and saved on the hard drive. Just make sure to share the folder where the podcasts reside with Sonos. Each time you download a new podcast, you must re-index your music share for the Sonos system to see it.

Podcast will show up under Music Library > Artist in the Sonos app if the metadata is supplied (not all podcasts do this). They may also be listed under the Music Library > Genre > Podcasts.



Streaming podcasts from your phone or tablet

Android:
For podcasts to show up in the Sonos app under "On this Mobile Device," they must reside in the “Podcasts” folder on your Android controller. The podcasts folder should be in the root directory of your Android device. If you have podcasts located in your Music folder, the podcasts will be listed under Music - not Podcasts.

iPhone / iPad:
Use the preinstalled “Podcasts” app to download your favorite podcasts to your iOS device and watch them appear instantly under Sonos music menu > This iPhone / iPad. Podcasts downloaded with any other 3rd party app will not appear under “This iPhone / iPad.”
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Or just wait until Apple brings out a competitive product and watch customers like me replace Sonos with something that better integrates with my ecosystem.

Looks like that might happen with the announcement of the HomePod. I'm dubious it's as good as the advanced Sonos speaker setups, but it looks to be better than the Play 1 - Play 5 AND will support AirPlay 2.


The early reports are that it beats the Play 3 in sound quality. I own four Play 1's, and the minute the HomePod hits the market they're all going up for sale.


But nothing about tie-in for surround sound which is where my Sonos will remain. No HomePods for me for the time being. I'll let others spend their money and review first.
As an iPhone user, the AirPlay 2 multiroom features built into the OS are pretty attractive. Anything that makes it easier to manage what's playing on my Sonos system and where is welcome.

Don't see myself switch to the homepod though, they have no playbar or connect alternative, and they don't support a fraction of the services my Sonos system supports.
Or just wait until Apple brings out a competitive product and watch customers like me replace Sonos with something that better integrates with my ecosystem.

Looks like that might happen with the announcement of the HomePod. I'm dubious it's as good as the advanced Sonos speaker setups, but it looks to be better than the Play 1 - Play 5 AND will support AirPlay 2.


The early reports are that it beats the Play 3 in sound quality. I own four Play 1's, and the minute the HomePod hits the market they're all going up for sale.
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It would seem to me that the easiest integration may be one which hasn't been discussed in this thread yet. A new Bridge which is AirPlay2 compatible. With internal computing power becoming less expensive, Sonos could design an effective AirPlay server so as to pass music streaming to each speaker using it's current streaming protocol. This would allow for users to replace a single piece of their Sonos network and implement AirPlay at each speaker. (it at least seems possible in theory, considering AirPlay server hacks are already available).

This, although not as ideal for the consumer because it's something else I have to buy/power on/store/maintain, might work out better for Sonos because of possible lesser licensing fees if it's done per device and the people that want it can buy it.
Please integrate ios11. Smart home = smart sound.
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I'm AMAZED Apple is selling Sonos in their own stores...
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apple great at throwing others under the bus
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It would seem to me that the easiest integration may be one which hasn't been discussed in this thread yet. A new Bridge which is AirPlay2 compatible. With internal computing power becoming less expensive, Sonos could design an effective AirPlay server so as to pass music streaming to each speaker using it's current streaming protocol. This would allow for users to replace a single piece of their Sonos network and implement AirPlay at each speaker. (it at least seems possible in theory, considering AirPlay server hacks are already available).
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I am not exactly sure how airplay would make my own experience bettter (got playbar 2 sonos 1 and one 5 and a sub and also use them with line in cd player). I use playbar and appleTV and can mirror my iphone/ipad. I doubt that introducing airplay would make any bigger diference. I do not use apple music (tidal is the way for me). in my country apple homepod will not be anyway supported since siri does not speak my language (as is the case with amazon echo and google home). I also doubt that when thinking hi-fi homepod (being a universal unit) can outbeat my setup. multiroom is what sonos does quite well (despite few drawbacks). Also apple stuff is gettting more and more expensive (so I am thinking about switching to android). So once again, what do I lose without airplay?
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Just adding my tuppence worth. I filled my house with play:1s because I wanted a cheap multi room system with decent sound quality. I use spotify exclusively as my music source. This all works almost 100% perfectly. But I really wish Sonos would implement airplay (and now that airplay 2 has been announced, airplay 2).

I listen to podcasts on my iphone using an app (downcast) to download the podcasts so I have them locally on the device. I just want to play those podcasts, from my phone, on my decent speakers. That's all. I don't want to have to buy an airport express and a play:5 or a connect (costing many hundreds of pounds). I don't want to hack together a raspberry pi or other pc as a work around. I don't care that the sound quality over airplay might be slightly less than perfect. It's a podcast in a noisy kitchen. Every time I have to pause my podcast because the dishwasher, washing machine or kettle is on because I can't hear the iPhone's speakers, I get just a little bit annoyed with Sonos.

They have chosen not to implement Airplay for a reason, as is their right. I don't know what that reason is, so I don't understand it. And so it annoys me.

What I pick up when reading through threads like these is that there are many different use cases. I use my speakers as described above, others use them differently. Which is why I would always advocate introducing flexibility into the system. Sonos need to look at feedback and decide where they want to dedicate their limited resources. I understand that they can't implement every requested feature. Again, this is why flexibility is needed. Offering native Airplay support alongside native chromecast audio would mean that regardless of where the audio is, online/local, supported service or not, I can play what I want on my hundred of pounds worth of speaker system.


Yes!! Exactly
I agree. AirPlay 2 support really needs to happen. I love the speakers I have, but as someone who listens to a lot of podcasts using Overcast on the iPhone, it is extremely frustrating to have to setup the speakers within the app so I can then Airplay to a speaker. Apple's announcements yesterday show that they are going to be challenging Sonos.
Just adding my tuppence worth. I filled my house with play:1s because I wanted a cheap multi room system with decent sound quality. I use spotify exclusively as my music source. This all works almost 100% perfectly. But I really wish Sonos would implement airplay (and now that airplay 2 has been announced, airplay 2).

I listen to podcasts on my iphone using an app (downcast) to download the podcasts so I have them locally on the device. I just want to play those podcasts, from my phone, on my decent speakers. That's all. I don't want to have to buy an airport express and a play:5 or a connect (costing many hundreds of pounds). I don't want to hack together a raspberry pi or other pc as a work around. I don't care that the sound quality over airplay might be slightly less than perfect. It's a podcast in a noisy kitchen. Every time I have to pause my podcast because the dishwasher, washing machine or kettle is on because I can't hear the iPhone's speakers, I get just a little bit annoyed with Sonos.

They have chosen not to implement Airplay for a reason, as is their right. I don't know what that reason is, so I don't understand it. And so it annoys me.

What I pick up when reading through threads like these is that there are many different use cases. I use my speakers as described above, others use them differently. Which is why I would always advocate introducing flexibility into the system. Sonos need to look at feedback and decide where they want to dedicate their limited resources. I understand that they can't implement every requested feature. Again, this is why flexibility is needed. Offering native Airplay support alongside native chromecast audio would mean that regardless of where the audio is, online/local, supported service or not, I can play what I want on my hundred of pounds worth of speaker system.
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the big hit with tweens is the Musicology app, not supported by Sonos. Its an uneven match that basically hurts Sonos' customers.

To be fair, I don't believe 'tweens' even fall on Sonos's radar.


There are music services Sonos has opted to spend time making deals with and implementing into their ecosystem that have a much smaller user base and impact on their company. The point I think tokeriis was trying to make is that instead of trying to play whack-a-mole, take out the whole garden with including the protocol which doesn't hinder anyone's current environment.. only adds capability and a better user experience for many.
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My 2p's worth:

I have a Sonos 5.0 setup and 3 other zones. I was as frustrated as hell with Sonos at first, nothing to do with sound quality, but its connectivity, specifically Spotify, and the lack of DTS on Playbar and the propensity to drop sound when playing DD.

Working with support I'm of the opinion that it's Samsung firmware that causes problems and, to be honest, the DTS is not a major issue for me personally, as I tend to stream films and none, to my knowledge, are DTS. As for Bluray, I have a transcoding DVD player.

I mainly listen to music, so the 'new' integration with Spotify is just what much of the user base wanted and Sonos have delivered. I'm back to recommending Sonos and am more than happy with it.

I was quite vociferous on these forums a couple of years ago but I'm pleased I stuck with it.

Apple AirPlay is shockingly bad in my opinion, for music and for video. In fact, it stops me from going with Apple Music (and the clunkyness of its Sonos integration). If AirPlay 2 is any good (and it'll need to be) then I'm sure that Sonos will seriously consider it. I just hope that, if appropriate, it won't fight it as much as it did with Spotify Connectt before finally relenting.

Stick with it, it's worth it.
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the big hit with tweens is the Musicology app, not supported by Sonos. Its an uneven match that basically hurts Sonos' customers.

To be fair, I don't believe 'tweens' even fall on Sonos's radar.
One fundamental problem with not supporting Airplay is the catch-up game that Sonos has to play with app developers. Each time a new app is invented that supports sound, Sonos has to specifically support it by including it in their app. For instance, the big hit with tweens is the Musicology app, not supported by Sonos. Its an uneven match that basically hurts Sonos' customers.

It seems common sense to me that implementing Airplay 2 would only increase the possible user base, while retaining the qualities of the Sonos ecosystem.
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What amazes me are the number of people who have never run as much as a whelk stall who think they know the best strategy for a multi-billion dollar global tech company. I declare my ignorance.

I know - and expressed (in my posting) common sense.
Now that I have read a little about HomePod, a question:
Isn't one now left with a choice between Alexa powered Sonos on the one hand, and HomePod/Airplay 2 on the other? Why have a mish mash? Alexa or Siri, surely?
And on the HomePod subject, a quote:
"Put another HomePod in the same room, and the two automatically detect and balance each other — for sound that’s even more lifelike."
I also read about something like Trueplay. So it would seem that for sound quality Apple will do better than Amazon. It would be interesting to see how two HomePods stack up against a stereo pair of play 1 units. How does "detecting and balancing" stack up against good old stereo imaging?
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Gee, a thread predicting Sonos' doom for not supporting an Apple implementation that may accomplish what Sonos did flawlessly back in 2005? Now where have I heard that bevor?
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Unless I quoted your OP, you can assume I wasn't addessing it directly. I was specifically speaking to the poster who predicted loss of sales and a sell off by current Sonos owners due to its "dying ecosystem", followed by "SONOS WAKE UP!"



You must be the big exception if your needs didn't change since 2005. My needs and wishes change with advances in technology that allow for new possibilities. I want state of the art intelligent home integration and I bet many others do.

As you stated, in 2005 Sonos had an exceptional offer and could therefore behave like they do with no harm but that is no longer the case! So yes, I stand with my words, they will struggle if they don't adapt quickly to changes in ecosystems and don't stick to what they promise in their vision statement!
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AirPlay has been extremely reliable on the hardware that has been released the last few years. What it hasn't done well in years past is streaming in sync as well as the fact that all AirPlay compatible hardware (that I'm aware of) reprocesses lossless audio files. I'm hopeful that AirPlay 2 addresses the syncing issue as they've figured it out with the AirPods quite well. Even if it isn't great for synced music, that's not what many people will use it for which is to push music from outside the Sonos environment to the Sonos speakers without needing extra gear. The speaker hardware is already sufficient.

Positives for including AirPlay 2:
-Added capability with no loss to existing capabilities.
-Works in more situations.. especially for all iDevice & Mac owners

Negatives for including AirPlay 2:
-Licensing cost
-Non technical people might not opt to use SonosNet or steer from using the embedded streaming services unless they want discover that it allows them to stream even without having their media devices on the network. (for these people, they aren't audiophiles anyway)
-Developer hours

Negatives to not including AirPlay 2:
-Potential loss of some customers who have been known to return or not purchase the equipment because it doesn't do what they thought it would do
-Loss of capability for a good amount of Mac/iOS customers
And from memory: multi room was available on Airplay back in 2011 as well, but it was limited to "same music in all rooms" and, as I found, subject to many drops particularly in that kind of use.
And it never fails that any time someone makes a feature request, they get dumped on by the fanboys that think their company of choice is perfect and can do no better.. until they introduce a feature on their own accord.

It would be interesting to see a feature request page that could have a voting system like what Sophos uses for their feature requests. It helps to know what they want to focus their developers on potentially.


They've had voting in the past. It was useless because it was too easily gamed. Just the fact that one of the largest voting blocks was the 2% of the market that was Windows Phones users is proof of that.

That aside, I'm sure Sonos has the marketing data it needs to make the right decision. Afterall, they didnt support Airplay before, saving the millions of dollars Bose spent in support costs and redesign efforts from having to drop it from their line of streamers due to poor reliability and performance.

We will see if Airplay 2 improves on the negatives of Airplay 1, which was obsolete the day it was released.