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What about Bose (and their whole home audio that supports airplay 2)?

Bose dropped Airplay 1. Are they now supporting Airplay 2? Did they not learn from the first fiasco that caused them to relaunch their entire line?


As per the picture in this article https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/05/apple-announces-airplay-2-w-multi-room-support-new-social-features-in-music-more/ you can see Bose are listed as a partner who will be supporting AirPlay 2. It is not clear yet but in some cases it might be possible to issue a simple firmware update to upgrade from AirPlay 1 to AirPlay 2.
What about Bose (and their whole home audio that supports airplay 2)?

Bose dropped Airplay 1. Are they now supporting Airplay 2? Did they not learn from the first fiasco that caused them to relaunch their entire line?
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See this https://www.forbes.com/sites/aarontilley/2017/06/07/apple-homekit-wwdc-2017-update/#5297407e1283

This might make it easier or possible to add HomeKit to existing Sonos products. No guarantee of course.
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Well the apple stores were selling sonos directly, so some shop customers assumed they supported airplay.
Apple stores seem to have dropped selling sonos now...
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My point is that predicting sonos demise over AirPlay nonsense is way off. There are people in many countries who would like to get sonos regardless of AirPlay. Furthermore, I see that our respective community members are getting very emotional about "things". That's not healthy.

I would really love new features and sonos should take every opportunity to make their products better when enemy is at the gates (competition like homepod and any other speaker that will support airplay). But hey, sonos has limited resources. why AirPlay should be more important than Alexa integration when multiroom support is already there?

I am wondering why people bought sonos taken there was no direct airplay support from the begging? Is it hope or other features that make sonos speakers exceptional?
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That would be great! I own 2 play 1, one 5, sub and playbar and another 5 would take it even better. Couldn't care less about that apple wifi thing.

First world problems: 1) I need to use my hands to play music 2) have to click few times more 3) my virtual ecosystem isn't flawless.

Get real and talk to people from Aleppo, Donbas, Venezuela or North Korea.:@


Don't turn this into a politic al discussion. What harm is it to you if a sizable portion of this community is interested in this feature? Everyone gets aded functionality without YOU having to sacrifice anything.
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That would be great! I own 2 play 1, one 5, sub and playbar and another 5 would take it even better. Couldn't care less about that apple wifi thing.

First world problems: 1) I need to use my hands to play music 2) have to click few times more 3) my virtual ecosystem isn't flawless.

Get real and talk to people from Aleppo, Donbas, Venezuela or North Korea.:@
Will definitely be on the lookout for a bargain like used sonos 5 🆒

If Sonos fails on this, I'm sure you'll be able to find another Play:5 and have a pair!
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Will definitely be on the lookout for a bargain like used sonos 5 🆒
Airplay 2 Please!!! Holding off all my Sonos purchases. No airplay? moving to apple's homepod or Bose and selling my Sonos PLAY:5 on eBay
+1 for Apple AirPlay 2 support. Please get on it pronto Sonos!
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Only one brand I care about is missing this feature being supported and clearly it's very important for some of us... Now that I know they're supporting airplay 2, I'm just waiting on better than sonos' Spotify Connect support (not difficult - why can't I set volume and group with the "integration" of connect?!?!) Spotify Connect appearing on Bose Soundtouch devices personally (and I am heavily invested in sonos hardware).

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We also know that Sonos has an Open API. So if you can't integrate your speakers with Homekit, why are you blaming Sonos and not Apple?

The API is for the development by the manufacturers of automation equipment. For HomeKit integration, I'm pretty sure Sonos would have to develop the implementation on their end I believe (meeting Apple's standards and getting approval for the HomeKit compatible logo)

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple doesn't want to license Airplay 2 to Sonos since it's a competitor in some sense. Perhaps they don't like that Sonos went to Amazon for IA integration before them.

Nonsense. AirPlay is licensed to other high-end audio speaker manufacturers. Even ones that Apple has been in litigation with.
Some guys (or should I say Sonos fans 😉 posting here have issues.. always trying to stage the posts in this thread as a fight between Sonos and Apple fanboys. That's stupid. It has nothing to do with whether Sonos networking is better than airplay 1/2 or not or whatever. It has something to do with changing needs/desires of many customers. Today, I (many) want to be able to integrate speakers into home automation scenes (apple ecosystem). If Sonos doesn't want to do this for some obscure secret reason or is unable to implement this, and if others will offer that and deliver comparable performance in other areas that are important to me, then my Sonos is for sale, that simple. Also, a majority of new customers will most likely choose a system with proper integration.

OK Sonos, when do you release your HomeKit compatible bridge? Even Philips managed to make the Hue bridge HomeKit compatible :b


This argument doesn't make much sense to me. I currently have 2 home automation hubs I use regularly (Smartthings and Lutron), and my Sonos is integrated with both of them . I do have my speakers integrated into the scenes so to speak. We also know that Sonos has an Open API. So if you can't integrate your speakers with Homekit, why are you blaming Sonos and not Apple?

You say that Phillips made their product compatable with homekit, are you sure it's not the other way around? I'm almost positive it is.

As for the Airplay, never used it, never cared to. I have no idea how much of a marketshare it holds. I can see the benefit of compatibility, but I don't know what it costs SONOS, how willing Apple is to integrate, nor whether it could be done with existing hardware (I doubt it). I wouldn't be surprised if Apple doesn't want to license Airplay 2 to Sonos since it's a competitor in some sense. Perhaps they don't like that Sonos went to Amazon for IA integration before them.

All that said, I would like to see SONOS come up with a device that's sort of a 'universal source'. Inputs only, RCA, headphone jack, Bluetooth, and airplay if it makes sense. But I would not go far as to say that I know better then the guys running SONOS regarding the direction they need to go.
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I was here when Airplay 1 came out. Apple fans made the exact same predictions of Sonos' looming death, threats to sell Sonos gear, claims of Apple superiority, etc. back then. Today, the "inferior" Sonos has thrived sans Airplay, whereas Airplay is dead, and Airplay 2 is now trying to copy Sonos after all these years.


Sonos will be fine


Not a fanboy of any one company.. just a fan of current hardware & software setups that I can afford. That being said my thread is not one to claim Sonos' deathbead, superiority of anyone's gear of choice. I simply wanted to voice my opinion on why I would like Sonos to re-consider not implementing AirPlay and to hopefully engage developing AirPlay 2 into their lineup. There has been no argument that has countered why having AirPlay 2 implemented would hurt the Sonos ecosystem except for the negatives I mentioned in an above post.

Negatives for including AirPlay 2:
-Licensing cost
-Non technical people might not opt to use SonosNet or steer from using the embedded streaming services unless they want discover that it allows them to stream even without having their media devices on the network. (for these people, they aren't audiophiles anyway)
-Developer hours"
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Has anybody loaded hacked firmware onto Sonos speakers? Worst case, maybe we could hack our speakers into Airplay 2 machines? I do hope Sonos chooses to support as many standards as makes sense, and I think Airplay 2 makes sense now that no extra hardware is required.

I have not but I'm considering setting up a janky way to airplay stream using this method:
https://medium.com/@stephencwan/hacking-airplay-into-sonos-93a41a1fcfbb

It'd be cool to gain root on the sonos and implement airplay myself.. but that's way above my current skill level.
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Haven't most of us dumped the Bridge in favor of direct WiFi? I do agree though that if that was all it takes to implement AP2, I would happily reintroduce the Bridge.I will have to get my jaw off the floor on this one. The only people who have dropped the Bridge in favour of wifi are those who know and understand nothing about Sonos' mesh networking capability. And the Bridge (and its replacement the Boost) are purely networking devices that do no audio processing and so the suggestion that it might be a route into Airplay integration is ridiculous. I am getting out of this thread now before I lose my sanity.

I opted for the BOOST for the very reason of utilizing the SONOSNET. Putting an 802.11ac NIC in it for airplay & other streaming technologies input wouldn't take away the ability to play higher quality streams traditionally (the SONOS way). Think having eco & sport mode on vehicles.. just because you use one doesn't mean the other functionality is gone. Use sport mode when you want to or use eco mode when you want that functionality.
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Some guys (or should I say Sonos fans 😉 posting here have issues.. always trying to stage the posts in this thread as a fight between Sonos and Apple fanboys. That's stupid. It has nothing to do with whether Sonos networking is better than airplay 1/2 or not or whatever. It has something to do with changing needs/desires of many customers. Today, I (many) want to be able to integrate speakers into home automation scenes (apple ecosystem). If Sonos doesn't want to do this for some obscure secret reason or is unable to implement this, and if others will offer that and deliver comparable performance in other areas that are important to me, then my Sonos is for sale, that simple. Also, a majority of new customers will most likely choose a system with proper integration.

OK Sonos, when do you release your HomeKit compatible bridge? Even Philips managed to make the Hue bridge HomeKit compatible 😛
I was here when Airplay 1 came out. Apple fans made the exact same predictions of Sonos' looming death, threats to sell Sonos gear, claims of Apple superiority, etc. back then. Today, the "inferior" Sonos has thrived sans Airplay, whereas Airplay is dead, and Airplay 2 is now trying to copy Sonos after all these years.


Sonos will be fine
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The early reports are that it beats the Play 3 in sound quality. I own four Play 1's, and the minute the HomePod hits the market they're all going up for sale. Well it sounded like it was an Apple staged demo, with Apple choosing the demo music and controlling volumes. And the Play:3 is Sonos' oldest and least impressive speaker. So having never done your own comparison you are ready to dump Sonos? How odd. Sonos don't have a monopoly on good sound so I'll be interested to hear which sounds better. By actually listening to it.

it's all about the ecosystem.
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I fully agree. Even if we get the start that Spotify has allowed with Sonos, for Apple Music, we will be on the right track.
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+1 for AirPlay 2 support. I often use the Airport Express plugged in to a Connect Amp hack currently.

For me, the biggest reason to support AirPlay is that I don't like using the Sonos app to browse and play my music. I want to be able to use the Apple Music app. The app I use when I'm not in the house. It's the app I prefer for it's rich UI and full feature set (soon to increase again with iOS 11).

Convenience of sending tunes to wireless speakers from the Apple Music app or Control Center is a big factor in comparing Sonos to alternatives.

Granted, we don't know all of the technical details about AirPlay 2 yet - I hope music can be streamed from the cloud directly to AirPlay 2 devices (like Sonos does) rather than having to go via an iOS device / Mac.

I'd also like to be able to use my Sonos system in conjunction with my other HomeKit accessories. For example, starting a radio station if motion is detected between 7 and 9am on a week day.

Sonos, give us Apple users the tight integration that we'd like. Be the inclusive ecosystem you claim to be.
Has anybody loaded hacked firmware onto Sonos speakers? Worst case, maybe we could hack our speakers into Airplay 2 machines? I do hope Sonos chooses to support as many standards as makes sense, and I think Airplay 2 makes sense now that no extra hardware is required.
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SONOS PLEASE WAKE UP!
You need to implement AirPlay2 as you did with Spotify Connect. Its the only thing that makes sence - and if you dont, you will be killing your business and leave us all in the dark.
We can have both, the sonos app as we know it AND AirPlay 2 at the same time. + Spotify Connect and everyone is happy.
I LOVE MY SONOS, so please JUST DO THIS! ❤️❤️❤️
Haven't most of us dumped the Bridge in favor of direct WiFi? I do agree though that if that was all it takes to implement AP2, I would happily reintroduce the Bridge.I will have to get my jaw off the floor on this one. The only people who have dropped the Bridge in favour of wifi are those who know and understand nothing about Sonos' mesh networking capability. And the Bridge (and its replacement the Boost) are purely networking devices that do no audio processing and so the suggestion that it might be a route into Airplay integration is ridiculous. I am getting out of this thread now before I lose my sanity.