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2010 there was not a such good speaker in pipeline from apple.

Everything out of one hand will be the keyword.

Apple is doing great in their ecosystem and now its time for speakers.

Everybody who ignores that will be supprisef 2018 - others will plan their exit on sonos. We live in a modern world and innavation will succeef.

Sonos is no innovator for years.


As I said, I heard the exact same thing about Airplay in 2010, and Apple buying Beats in 2014. Airplay turned out to be obsolete the day it came out, behind the stream-from-source architecture Sonos had 5 years earlier, and Apple's done nothing with Beats. Calling Apple an innovator for finally upgrading their offerings to what Sonos pioneered 12 years ago is quite rich.

Reminds of an old computer ad from the 80's. IBM claimed their belated entry into the mini-computer world would finally "Legitimize the market".

Data General, a pioneer in mini-computers along with DEC and others replied "The Bastards say 'Welcome.'"

And by the way, IBM's original mini-computer offering was a failure.
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Sorry sonos - the reviews confirm that the homepod outperforms a play 3 and that is amazing.

I know that people are calling them "reviews" online, but if the product isn't going to be out for several months I feel like that's a "preview".

First, you're amazed that a speaker released 6 years later and sold for $50 more sounds better than the Play 3? You might want to boost your expectations :)

The reviews I've seen from (ex. What Hifi, Tech Radar) have mentioned a similar audio quality to the Play 3 with a heavy bass element. It also appears to all be from the same controlled environment, and I can't say I'm completely trusting of a competitor setting up the equipment.

Look, the HomePod is an interesting device. It offers an improved smart speaker listening experience, but it's occupying a questionable niche for me. The "reviews" talk about how easy it is to pair them. You're paying a lot of premium for the "smarts" this speaker offers, and every device that gets paired is essentially wasted for them.

If your desire is a single Apple smart speaker with good sound then your answer may be here later in 2017. If you have the desire for more speakers though, you're immediately treading on thin ice until I see something that suggests otherwise.
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1) They have a home theater system that doesn’t support the latest ways to connect to tv’s. They even released the new play base and it only accepts optical audio. I personally love optical audio but unfortunately it is a dead standard and it is a pain to find tv’s that properly support it.


There is a lot of cheap converters around if you need one : https://goo.gl/images/Te9voe

I gave it a thought and I still think that I what would be the mostly welcomed by me is voice control over sonos systems accesible without having to be attached to apple (which i am at the moment). Also I hope Sonos will be able to control this piece of crabbage called homepod.
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And yet another first time poster fortelling "RIP Sonos" because they aren't currently supporting an Apple shiny object announcement. It's like 2010 all over again and the JRDF is in full effect. :D

2010 there was not a such good speaker in pipeline from apple.

Everything out of one hand will be the keyword.

Apple is doing great in their ecosystem and now its time for speakers.

Everybody who ignores that will be supprisef 2018 - others will plan their exit on sonos. We live in a modern world and innavation will succeef.

Sonos is no innovator for years.
And yet another first time poster fortelling "RIP Sonos" because they aren't currently supporting an Apple shiny object announcement. It's like 2010 all over again and the JRDF is in full effect. 😃
1) They have a home theater system that doesn’t support the latest ways to connect to tv’s. They even released the new play base and it only accepts optical audio. I personally love optical audio but unfortunately it is a dead standard and it is a pain to find tv’s that properly support it.
I dare say the HomePod isn't going to play nicely (aka simultaneously) with Apple TV.
I know at least 30 Sonos users (having previously been a Sonos reseller), none of whom has any deal breaker issues. They are all happy with their systems and none has ever mentioned Airplay to me. You are entitled to your own preferences but your extension to other users is unjustified.
I have purchased a lot of sonos speakers and it is going to be painful to pull out of this eco system but I’m afraid I have to. This company just seems to be out of touch with what their customers want. There are two points that make buying sonos going forward a non starter for me.

1) They have a home theater system that doesn’t support the latest ways to connect to tv’s. They even released the new play base and it only accepts optical audio. I personally love optical audio but unfortunately it is a dead standard and it is a pain to find tv’s that properly support it.

2) Their continued lack of support for AirPlay. The old version of it would have been nice not as a way to stream to individual speakers but if a group of speakers that you set up could have recieved an airplay stream that would have been brilliant. I’m certain they won’t support AirPlay 2 and for me this is unacceptable.

These are my two biggest complaints but I have others. I know some people will think these aren’t big deals but i believe most sonos customers have one or two deal breaker issues like this and Sonos just seems unwilling to address any portion of their communities needs.

RIP Sonos
Cause this means less revenue - and there will be a lot that think like me

It's less revenue no matter what they do, according to your own words. Matter of fact, if they do nothing you threatened to sell your Sonos, presumably to someone who wants Sonos for what it does now, and who may choose to add on, thus generating more revenue.

In other words threatening to never buy Sonos again no matter if they support Airplay or not gives you zero leverage. It's like me threatening to never buy Dunkin Donuts again unless they are more like Starbucks, and even if they suddenly dark roast their beans and make machiattos, I'm still buying Starbucks.

Admit it, you really didn't put much thought into your threat, did you?
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Cause this means less revenue - and there will be a lot that think like me
Hopefully - then i will keep my existig stuff - but the brain and next devices will be homepods who control sonos via airplay (hopefully)

But no sonos device will be bought - and this will not only be my idea.


So why exactly would Sonos care about your wishes if you will never again buy their product? Not really the best way to advance your cause.
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Hopefully - then i will keep my existig stuff - but the brain and next devices will be homepods who control sonos via airplay (hopefully)

But no sonos device will be bought - and this will not only be my idea.
FWIW sonos account says they are looking in to it https://i.redd.it/uchnj5kquu2z.jpg

(not my screen grab)
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Shall I take a picture of my remaining 3 play1 and 2 play5 and AMP 😉
Yet another Sonos "owner" coming here touting Airplay on their very first post. Pardon me if I show a little skepticism. :8
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I would love to see built-in Airplay support. 99% of iPhone users know how to use the Apple Music App and want to use it and many do not want to use a new app (like Sonos). I get beat up by my familiy every week why I installed that stupid Sonos system... As soon as you have more than one Sonos speaker/zone, using an Airport Express attached to your Sonos system creates a complicated user experience as you have to switch between apps to select the speaker you want to play on. Airplay support (creating one Airplay device per Sonos speaker/zone) would provide best in class integration and seamless user experience on all Apple devices!

Thats exactly my opinion.
Today i gave back my play3 and discontinued my testing with the playbase and return it to my retailer.

I still have 3 play1, 2 play 5 (1 is dying now I think) and a connect AMP. These I will hold until december and then they will go on sale.

Sorry sonos - the reviews confirm that the homepod outperforms a play 3 and that is amazing.

In my opinion for tech fans sonos is out of order - qualitywise and for smart technology of course.
They waited to long and now its over - this will be a slow desth but a 100% one.

Sorry I was a really big fan of sonos so far 😞
I would love to see built-in Airplay support. 99% of iPhone users know how to use the Apple Music App and want to use it and many do not want to use a new app (like Sonos). I get beat up by my familiy every week why I installed that stupid Sonos system... As soon as you have more than one Sonos speaker/zone, using an Airport Express attached to your Sonos system creates a complicated user experience as you have to switch between apps to select the speaker you want to play on. Airplay support (creating one Airplay device per Sonos speaker/zone) would provide best in class integration and seamless user experience on all Apple devices!
We must move in different circles. I must know at least 20 people with Sonos systems. Some are Apple users. None of them gives a **** about Airplay. They bought Sonos to play music from their computers (including iTunes libraries), from their phones (some of them iPhones), from music services (e.g. Apple Music). Sonos does all they want. Reading this thread you would think Sonos was ignoring Apple users. That is not so.
Sonos probably won't die quickly if they don't implement this, but the vast majority of people I know with Sonos are also Apple owners. So when they see that Apple offers a solution, I imagine many, like me, will be looking closely at it instead.
Yes, but that is an example of poor population sampling. I use Apple as well, but I don't care for Airplay because it is a kludge in the first place with its hub/spoke architecture that leaves it a lot less reliable/robust than Sonos when Sonosnet is invoked as it needs to be for best wireless performance. And there are many here that like Sonos and dislike Apple.
As far as I am concerned even if Airplay 2 has reached those levels of reliability that Sonos did long ago, I see no reason to use a reinvented wheel at my home.
If this is successful, I expect it to expand the market and not take much share from Sonos as long as Sonos doesn't make a hash of the Alexa integration; not a feature I need, but voice control is a new market segment.
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I am not exactly sure how airplay would make my own experience bettter (got playbar 2 sonos 1 and one 5 and a sub and also use them with line in cd player). I use playbar and appleTV and can mirror my iphone/ipad. I doubt that introducing airplay would make any bigger diference. I do not use apple music (tidal is the way for me). in my country apple homepod will not be anyway supported since siri does not speak my language (as is the case with amazon echo and google home). I also doubt that when thinking hi-fi homepod (being a universal unit) can outbeat my setup. multiroom is what sonos does quite well (despite few drawbacks). Also apple stuff is gettting more and more expensive (so I am thinking about switching to android). So once again, what do I lose without airplay?

Correct me if I'm wrong: you are willing to sell sonos because your friends are not clever enough? That's ok.

So it's obvious you don't care about this functionality. Are you only participating in this thread to be dismissive towards others? Should everyone buy all the products you have just to kluge together a solution to this? Do you think everyone has your needs? It's also funny that you talk about how expensive Apple products are. Sonos is more expensive than Apple, when you compare the fact that I needed a Sonos Connect and an AVR to add AirPlay functionality to my Play3 and Play 1s. HomePod is only $50 more than Play3, but better quality audio (according to bloggers previews thus far), 360 degree speakers, and Siri/HomeKit/AirPlay 2 integration.

Like others, I'd like to listen to podcasts without the current AirPlay kluge (using AirPlay to my Denon AVR which is hooked to Sonos Connect). I don't want to use the default Podcasts app. I use Castro. AirPlay 2 would be a great addition, and would be a solution for me with this issue. I'd also like HomeKit integration. I've held off on buying into Amazon/Alexa while I waited for Apple to release something, and now they have. Sonos probably won't die quickly if they don't implement this, but the vast majority of people I know with Sonos are also Apple owners. So when they see that Apple offers a solution, I imagine many, like me, will be looking closely at it instead.
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Hard life.
Correct me if I'm wrong: you are willing to sell sonos because your friends are not clever enough? That's ok.

No, I am willing to sell my Sonos gear in order to make my friends's, my wife's, and my life easier by not requiring the use of either the clunky Sonos app or the weird cludge for making AirPlay work.
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Correct me if I'm wrong: you are willing to sell sonos because your friends are not clever enough? That's ok.
Add me to the list of people who will be putting their Sonos gear up for sale if Sonos doesn't support Airplay 2 by the time the Homepod comes out.

It is mostly a convenience thing, most (all?) of my friends use Apple products and I am tired of having to explain how to use the weird cludge to make Airplay work. Also, most of the things I listen to aren't in the Sonos supported services.

The biggest reason to not replace my Sonos gear would be the soundbar and wireless amp. Unfortunately for Sonos most of the companies on the Airplay 2 slide offer similar products.
It would be interesting to find some "meat" about the differences between Airplay 1 and Airplay 2. How much difference is there?