This thread is specifically for those who are trying to understand the Playbars 5.1 and DTS issues.
As most of you know the Playbar does not convert DTS signal. It also will only convert 2.0 to SIMULATED PCM 5.1 signal. If you can live with the simulated signal, then you are ahead of the game. IF you want PURE unadulterated 5.1 from your DirecTV or Cable, you WILL most likely have to buy a switch like this one. http://www.monoprice.com/products/7974
Or a Bluray converter like this one.
http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/
MOST tvs will not convert true 5.1. There are some on this thread that say they do, but most dont. I found this out the hard way by buying one of Samsungs highest end tv's, only to find out that 2.0 is all im ever gunna get.
A $75 switch is a bargain IMO to have such sound to the Playbar the way it is intended. IF you want 1080p up convert video and and 5.1 audio, then a simular Bluray like the Oppo is for you.
Concerning movies that are only on DTS:
Oppo can convert the DTS signal to PCM 5.1 as well. I do not know about the Switch, because I do not have one.
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I didn't saying video processing though, I said switching. I can't find the quote now but I'm pretty sure it mentioned they didn't want to be having anything to do with video at all.
And that, IMHO, is where they've gone wrong! I cannot think of a single sensible downside (e.g. ignoring them wanting to do HDMI or not, the cost of implementing HDMI, licensing codecs, etc.) of them having 4+ HDMI in, 1 HDMI monitor out rather than the crazy toslink-only "solution" they've chosen.
Whatever the solution is, that is their job to figure it out and provide what the customer wants. It's my job to pay $700 and have an easy product to install and enjoy, just like the rest of sonos. I am no technical expert but will continue to hold off on buying the playbar until there is a solution. In the meantime I am enjoying the rest of my set up but it would be so sweet to add the playbar at some point.
And that, IMHO, is where they've gone wrong! I cannot think of a single sensible downside (e.g. ignoring them wanting to do HDMI or not, the cost of implementing HDMI, licensing codecs, etc.) of them having 4+ HDMI in, 1 HDMI monitor out rather than the crazy toslink-only "solution" they've chosen.
Hi, this is my first post on they forum, and have been interested to see this thread re the playstation.
I also discovered this option in the ps3 settings and have been enjoying full dd5.1 from dts only discs. Even though this works very well, Sonos should listen to the frustrations of many new customers and implement dts as a firmware upgrade quickly, before they lose a lot of customers and potential revenue.
I also discovered this option in the ps3 settings and have been enjoying full dd5.1 from dts only discs. Even though this works very well, Sonos should listen to the frustrations of many new customers and implement dts as a firmware upgrade quickly, before they lose a lot of customers and potential revenue.
@all the people using the Sonos 5.1 setup with only upmixed stereo - you don't know what you are missing!! The setup is capable of sooo much more!
@all the people who aren't able to listen to the original DTS-HD sound track from blu-rays with the playbar, you don't know what you're missing... 😛
On page 64 of the OPPO BDP-103 player documentation (google for BDP-103_USER_MANUAL_English_v1.6.pdf ) I read that DTS source material is always sent as DTS (whilst in variants) on coaxial/optical.
I am no expert in this field so any help would be appreciated before I spend 3 grand on a setup that would not sound like intended on contemporary DTS-only material.
I wanted to get this very BD player anyway, but I really begin to question my planned Sonos purchase.
Thanks in advance.
I am no expert in this field so any help would be appreciated before I spend 3 grand on a setup that would not sound like intended on contemporary DTS-only material.
I wanted to get this very BD player anyway, but I really begin to question my planned Sonos purchase.
Thanks in advance.
Concerning the future of the playbar:
Are there any hints that Sonos will sometime soon bring out a new edition of the playbar which would solve our problems?
Are there any hints that Sonos will sometime soon bring out a new edition of the playbar which would solve our problems?
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Answerd at the dutch forum.
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Racin929, or anyone else. I just purchased an Oppo 103 and tried the suggestion above. I still cannot get 5.1 DD from the movie "Moon" which only has a DTS track. What are the other settings that I need? Thanks much.
--Orccro
Mr Woofer, quick question, I have an Apple TV and a Sony Bluray. How I accomplish the 5.1 is to get the tosh link and run optical cable from the ATV and the Bluray to the tosh link then to the playbar? What about the tv? Right now I have playbar optical right to tv. Thanks
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If anyone is still interested, the Monoprice 7974 performs with mixed results. It WILL convert Dolby TrueHD into Dolby Digital 5.1. It WILL NOT convert (transcode) DTS-HD into Dolby Digital 5.1. It appears that it would convert DTS-HD to DTS 5.1, which is still useless to the Playbar. So, this unit is not a solution to the DTS/Playbar issue.
My setup as tested:
Sony KDL-70R520A TV (which will pass 5.1 through optical, even for HDMI-connected sources)
Sony BDP-N460 Blu-Ray Player
Monoprice 7974
I connected the BDP to the 7974 switch with HDMI. I connected the 7974 to the TV with HDMI. I connected the 7974 to the Playbar with Toslink.
I played the 2009 Star Trek Blu-Ray, which has a Dolby TrueHD track. The 7974 switch was outputting Dolby Digital 5.1 to the Playbar, according to the Sonos app.
I played "The Heat" Blu-Ray, which has a DTS-HD track. The 7974 was outputting an incompatible audio format to the Playbar (likely DTS 5.1).
So, it gave me 5.1 sound from Dolby TrueHD discs, but not from DTS-HD discs. Until Sonos fixes the Playbar to decode DTS, the Monoprice 7974 is only half a solution.
Other notes: The 7974 seemed like a solid unit. The HDMI-CEC worked properly and switched between active inputs with no effort on my part. The ARC function worked properly and passed the Dolby 5.1 to the Playbar from my AppleTV and DirecTV receiver that were connectied directly to the TV. The LEDs on the front are a little bright. Might want to color them over with a marker or something.
My setup as tested:
Sony KDL-70R520A TV (which will pass 5.1 through optical, even for HDMI-connected sources)
Sony BDP-N460 Blu-Ray Player
Monoprice 7974
I connected the BDP to the 7974 switch with HDMI. I connected the 7974 to the TV with HDMI. I connected the 7974 to the Playbar with Toslink.
I played the 2009 Star Trek Blu-Ray, which has a Dolby TrueHD track. The 7974 switch was outputting Dolby Digital 5.1 to the Playbar, according to the Sonos app.
I played "The Heat" Blu-Ray, which has a DTS-HD track. The 7974 was outputting an incompatible audio format to the Playbar (likely DTS 5.1).
So, it gave me 5.1 sound from Dolby TrueHD discs, but not from DTS-HD discs. Until Sonos fixes the Playbar to decode DTS, the Monoprice 7974 is only half a solution.
Other notes: The 7974 seemed like a solid unit. The HDMI-CEC worked properly and switched between active inputs with no effort on my part. The ARC function worked properly and passed the Dolby 5.1 to the Playbar from my AppleTV and DirecTV receiver that were connectied directly to the TV. The LEDs on the front are a little bright. Might want to color them over with a marker or something.
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My setup as tested:
Sony KDL-70R520A TV (which will pass 5.1 through optical, even for HDMI-connected sources)
Sony BDP-N460 Blu-Ray Player
Monoprice 7974
I connected the BDP to the 7974 switch with HDMI. I connected the 7974 to the TV with HDMI. I connected the 7974 to the Playbar with Toslink.
I played the 2009 Star Trek Blu-Ray, which has a Dolby TrueHD track. The 7974 switch was outputting Dolby Digital 5.1 to the Playbar, according to the Sonos app.
I played "The Heat" Blu-Ray, which has a DTS-HD track. The 7974 was outputting an incompatible audio format to the Playbar (likely DTS 5.1).
So, it gave me 5.1 sound from Dolby TrueHD discs, but not from DTS-HD discs. Until Sonos fixes the Playbar to decode DTS, the Monoprice 7974 is only half a solution.
Other notes: The 7974 seemed like a solid unit. The HDMI-CEC worked properly and switched between active inputs with no effort on my part. The ARC function worked properly and passed the Dolby 5.1 to the Playbar from my AppleTV and DirecTV receiver that were connectied directly to the TV. The LEDs on the front are a little bright. Might want to color them over with a marker or something.
Thanks for the info. Can you tell me if this switch can transcode from dts to dolby 5.1?
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I can't say for certain, but based on what I've seen, no. I think the switch will downconvert the higher-level formats to their 5.1 versions, but will not transcode between Dolby and DTS formats.
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Hi,
I've potentially looking at buying Sonos, my requirements are
1. 5.1 surround sound in living room for music and TV (so looking to buy the play bar, sub and a pair of play 1s or play 3s
2. Outdoor speakers for my deck.
I've got a few questions I'd really appreciate some help with:
1.I've just bought a new Samsung TV, UA60ES6500 Samsung LED TV. I am also going to buy a new Apple TV. Does the sound bar work properly with Samsung?
2. I want outdoor speakers and was thinking the Bose 151SE. I believe I just buy the Sonos Connect Amp and then can link the Bose outdoor speakers as well. Is this right and anything I need to be aware of?
3. I already have a Bose Soundlink Air speaker which I've loved. If I get the Sonos Connect Amp, will this work as another speaker for indoors?
Thanks heaps
I've potentially looking at buying Sonos, my requirements are
1. 5.1 surround sound in living room for music and TV (so looking to buy the play bar, sub and a pair of play 1s or play 3s
2. Outdoor speakers for my deck.
I've got a few questions I'd really appreciate some help with:
1.I've just bought a new Samsung TV, UA60ES6500 Samsung LED TV. I am also going to buy a new Apple TV. Does the sound bar work properly with Samsung?
2. I want outdoor speakers and was thinking the Bose 151SE. I believe I just buy the Sonos Connect Amp and then can link the Bose outdoor speakers as well. Is this right and anything I need to be aware of?
3. I already have a Bose Soundlink Air speaker which I've loved. If I get the Sonos Connect Amp, will this work as another speaker for indoors?
Thanks heaps
....brace yourself....
... is it a 'Yes'...
.... is it a 'No'....
..."John M (Official Rep) about 10 hours ago
Vineet, I do not have an update at this time. You will be notified via email when an update is made to the thread."
wow - after 4 months since the last update, I feel so much better now with that really useful insight into what is going on :rolleyes:
Hopefully, soon they will have an update as to when they will update us on the update to the update. :rolleyes: Looking forward to that!!
Fingers crossed!
On the other hand, it does seem like a good excuse to sneak a PS4 purchase past the wife :)
But it does no good for the sales of Playbar's. It will put questions in peoples minds, will DTS be added and would that only be to a new version ?, would I have to buy a new unit ?, even if users never use DTS surround, I can't but help feel anyone researching one would now be put off.
I know I am.
But it does no good for the sales of Playbar's. It will put questions in peoples minds, will DTS be added and would that only be to a new version ?, would I have to buy a new unit ?, even if users never use DTS surround, I can't but help feel anyone researching one would now be put off.
I know I am.
It was probably in response to incessant nagging about the lack of a more recent communication.
:rolleyes:
Keith
:rolleyes:
Keith
:rolleyes:
Keith
Of course. When you can simultaneously complain about the lack of a timely response and the lack of any new information in the responses you do get, your disappointment is pretty much guaranteed.
Entitlement Nation at its finest!
Good to see the usual comments dismissing any attempts by prospective Playbar owners to gain a definitive answer on DTS. Probably by peoplle who are not wanting or waiting for the feature.
I dismissed this product for consideration due to the lack of DTS but support all those hoping for the feature and persuing Sonos for an answer.
I dismissed this product for consideration due to the lack of DTS but support all those hoping for the feature and persuing Sonos for an answer.
Sonos,
Take yourself and your customers seriously and update the playbar with DTS support or announce that you will release playbar 2 that supports DTS. Keeping your customers in the dark is not good and will undoubtedly damage you. Please stop being arrogant, thinking you are the market leader in your field. This is how companies, e.g. blackberry RIM, will be overtaken by others. Thank you again for your consideration.
PS. please also consider lowering price on playbar and subwoofer. Harman Kardon is cheaper and better quality. Offer more competitive price for those that are interested in both playbar and sub.
Best regards,
Why_no_DTS?
Take yourself and your customers seriously and update the playbar with DTS support or announce that you will release playbar 2 that supports DTS. Keeping your customers in the dark is not good and will undoubtedly damage you. Please stop being arrogant, thinking you are the market leader in your field. This is how companies, e.g. blackberry RIM, will be overtaken by others. Thank you again for your consideration.
PS. please also consider lowering price on playbar and subwoofer. Harman Kardon is cheaper and better quality. Offer more competitive price for those that are interested in both playbar and sub.
Best regards,
Why_no_DTS?
There's no dismissal. The comments are pointing out the lack of recognition of the futility of the attempts -- the comment between ours here being a perfect example.
Take yourself and your customers seriously and update the playbar with DTS support or announce that you will release playbar 2 that supports DTS. Keeping your customers in the dark is not good and will undoubtedly damage you. Please stop being arrogant, thinking you are the market leader in your field. This is how companies, e.g. blackberry RIM, will be overtaken by others. Thank you again for your consideration.
PS. please also consider lowering price on playbar and subwoofer. Harman Kardon is cheaper and better quality. Offer more competitive price for those that are interested in both playbar and sub.
Best regards,
Why_no_DTS?
I don't think posting the same thing in multiple threads is a good idea. You are just going to irritate people, and you will achieve nothing as these forums are user run and are not (officially) read by Sonos themselves.
I would go further... there seems to be a lack of ability to understand the answer that Sonos gave, and the continued nagging for an update by a handful of people.
And then they are surprised when an update is given, and the status hasn't changed.
http://mangaeanimeita.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/picard-facepalm.jpg
It reminds me a of small, badly-parented children on a long car journey saying "Are we there yet?" every few minutes.
Cheers,
Keith
P.S. I have moderated the repeated and I would recommend that particular poster isn't so arrogant and selfish towards other forums users in the future. If a similar "spamming" occurs again, I will take it as a sign that these threads need to be merged into a single thread.
I think it is important indeed to remind forum users that this forum is user driven. It is probably read by Sonos, but not the official communication channel.
In that regard, I agree with Majik that continually nagging in here (and in different threads) probably isn't producing the effect those people expect.
Nevertheless, everyone is entitled to their opinion and these forums are a good place to express them. But again, the opinions expressed here are expressed towards other Sonos users, not towards Sonos staff!!
For the rest, I have expressed my opinion on this topic before and I stand by it, which that the "under consideration" status on the DTS issue generates the one and only negative feeling I have with Sonos. "Not planned" would be more acceptable to me. And again, that's food for thought, not militantism to get Sonos to do something about it.
In that regard, I agree with Majik that continually nagging in here (and in different threads) probably isn't producing the effect those people expect.
Nevertheless, everyone is entitled to their opinion and these forums are a good place to express them. But again, the opinions expressed here are expressed towards other Sonos users, not towards Sonos staff!!
For the rest, I have expressed my opinion on this topic before and I stand by it, which that the "under consideration" status on the DTS issue generates the one and only negative feeling I have with Sonos. "Not planned" would be more acceptable to me. And again, that's food for thought, not militantism to get Sonos to do something about it.
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