Denon Heos Bar


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Guys,

Right when I made a choice buy a Playbar or Playbase, i stumble upon Denon Heos Bar review. It got high praises. Can it steal (no pun intended) Sonos place at a market?
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June 6th event for announcing the new theater speaker.

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/5/3/17314980/sonos-2018-event-date-announced-new-playbar-playbase
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I doubt adding hdmi is the only motivation for Sonos to come out with the new product. Voice control will surely be a big selling point for a lot of consumers. I'm sure they also will have a design change that will attract attention. And back on hdmi, it seems like this is a good time to come out with a new product to tack advantage of the latest standards without a lot of concern of becoming obsolete rather quickly.

Really though, I think voice control may be the most important thing. The smart speaker/ voice assistant market is still being established. If you don't make a strong push now, there's a good chance you get squeezed out the market, even if you come up with a stronger product later on.


I see your point. So, if the new playbar will be allexa driven and I buy it, does it mean I will be able to control my 2 play 3’s as well?
Neven


Yes


Thanks for the info
Neven
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I doubt adding hdmi is the only motivation for Sonos to come out with the new product. Voice control will surely be a big selling point for a lot of consumers. I'm sure they also will have a design change that will attract attention. And back on hdmi, it seems like this is a good time to come out with a new product to tack advantage of the latest standards without a lot of concern of becoming obsolete rather quickly.

Really though, I think voice control may be the most important thing. The smart speaker/ voice assistant market is still being established. If you don't make a strong push now, there's a good chance you get squeezed out the market, even if you come up with a stronger product later on.


I see your point. So, if the new playbar will be allexa driven and I buy it, does it mean I will be able to control my 2 play 3’s as well?
Neven


Yes
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I doubt adding hdmi is the only motivation for Sonos to come out with the new product. Voice control will surely be a big selling point for a lot of consumers. I'm sure they also will have a design change that will attract attention. And back on hdmi, it seems like this is a good time to come out with a new product to tack advantage of the latest standards without a lot of concern of becoming obsolete rather quickly.

Really though, I think voice control may be the most important thing. The smart speaker/ voice assistant market is still being established. If you don't make a strong push now, there's a good chance you get squeezed out the market, even if you come up with a stronger product later on.


I see your point. So, if the new playbar will be allexa driven and I buy it, does it mean I will be able to control my 2 play 3’s as well?
Neven
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I doubt adding hdmi is the only motivation for Sonos to come out with the new product. Voice control will surely be a big selling point for a lot of consumers. I'm sure they also will have a design change that will attract attention. And back on hdmi, it seems like this is a good time to come out with a new product to tack advantage of the latest standards without a lot of concern of becoming obsolete rather quickly.

Really though, I think voice control may be the most important thing. The smart speaker/ voice assistant market is still being established. If you don't make a strong push now, there's a good chance you get squeezed out the market, even if you come up with a stronger product later on.
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If 'flood' means more than normal, sure. However, it's not going to trigger all customers to up and sell there playbar/playbase for this new device. I'm sure there are plenty that are perfectly happy with what they have.
Then there are those that may not want to make a purchase right now. Depending on features, I might be in that category. Even if I did purchase, I won't be selling, I'll move my playbar to a different tv.
I could be off on this, but I also don't think people in general are all that comfortable with selling off ebay and the like. To those that do, it's a no brainer. To other's there's a mental hurdle to get over.


i suppose you are right, but what is Sonos strategy? Why add HDMI, all of the sudden? Many competitors had this a long while ago, and Sonos did not respond. And still, they took a big piece of market pie. How will they advertise the new Playbar One/Playbase One? "Every thing you love about our products, plus HDMI?"

IMHO, HDMI is not the essential thing for Sonos to be up there with the best.

Neven


HDMI gives sonos the ability to add Dolby Atmos format. Which is the way home theater is going. A lot of other that had hdmi only support dts which was not a huge difference from optical performance with HT. So Sonos was able to stay competitive without HDMI. But now they need HDMI. Sonos need to add support for the new ATMOS standard. Or they will be left behind when ATMOS becomes the mainstay for HT. It might also allow for 7.1 setup.


I guess so, will have to wait and see.

Thanks

Neven
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I'm probably thinking of the HS2 older model.
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I stand corrected then. Maybe it was early on that people were having trouble.
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Actually it is pretty easy like sonos. Not clunky at all. And it does sound nice in 5.1
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I was under the impression pairing surrounds with heos was clunky.
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The comparisons that I have seen say that the Heos Bar is far superior to the PlayBar. Most stores and installers who have experience with both will tell you the same. The main thing to consider is whether you want to use the Heos app, which has been crippled by the Sonos lawsuit. Also, Sonos is asking the court to stop sales of infringing Heos products. Courts don't generally do that, instead opting to make them pay a hefty fee instead. But it remains a possibility.
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yup that is why said might
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Big question. Will it support 7.1 wirelessly.
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If 'flood' means more than normal, sure. However, it's not going to trigger all customers to up and sell there playbar/playbase for this new device. I'm sure there are plenty that are perfectly happy with what they have.
Then there are those that may not want to make a purchase right now. Depending on features, I might be in that category. Even if I did purchase, I won't be selling, I'll move my playbar to a different tv.
I could be off on this, but I also don't think people in general are all that comfortable with selling off ebay and the like. To those that do, it's a no brainer. To other's there's a mental hurdle to get over.


i suppose you are right, but what is Sonos strategy? Why add HDMI, all of the sudden? Many competitors had this a long while ago, and Sonos did not respond. And still, they took a big piece of market pie. How will they advertise the new Playbar One/Playbase One? "Every thing you love about our products, plus HDMI?"

IMHO, HDMI is not the essential thing for Sonos to be up there with the best.

Neven


HDMI gives sonos the ability to add Dolby Atmos format. Which is the way home theater is going. A lot of other that had hdmi only support dts which was not a huge difference from optical performance with HT. So Sonos was able to stay competitive without HDMI. But now they need HDMI. Sonos need to add support for the new ATMOS standard. Or they will be left behind when ATMOS becomes the mainstay for HT. It might also allow for 7.1 setup.
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I won’t be replacing my playbar.

But I will be buying the hdmi version. Hopefully a playbase version as well.
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If 'flood' means more than normal, sure. However, it's not going to trigger all customers to up and sell there playbar/playbase for this new device. I'm sure there are plenty that are perfectly happy with what they have.
Then there are those that may not want to make a purchase right now. Depending on features, I might be in that category. Even if I did purchase, I won't be selling, I'll move my playbar to a different tv.
I could be off on this, but I also don't think people in general are all that comfortable with selling off ebay and the like. To those that do, it's a no brainer. To other's there's a mental hurdle to get over.


i suppose you are right, but what is Sonos strategy? Why add HDMI, all of the sudden? Many competitors had this a long while ago, and Sonos did not respond. And still, they took a big piece of market pie. How will they advertise the new Playbar One/Playbase One? "Every thing you love about our products, plus HDMI?"

IMHO, HDMI is not the essential thing for Sonos to be up there with the best.

Neven
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If 'flood' means more than normal, sure. However, it's not going to trigger all customers to up and sell there playbar/playbase for this new device. I'm sure there are plenty that are perfectly happy with what they have. Then there are those that may not want to make a purchase right now. Depending on features, I might be in that category. Even if I did purchase, I won't be selling, I'll move my playbar to a different tv.

I could be off on this, but I also don't think people in general are all that comfortable with selling off ebay and the like. To those that do, it's a no brainer. To other's there's a mental hurdle to get over.
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If you are leaning towards the Heos bar because of HDMI I would hold off on buying either. Looks like Sonos will be releasing a home theater option with HDMI relatively soon based on a FCC filing.
If this is true, Playbase and Playbar will flood the used market.
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Soon is an undefined point in time. The FCC filing was exposed this week.
If you are leaning towards the Heos bar because of HDMI I would hold off on buying either. Looks like Sonos will be releasing a home theater option with HDMI relatively soon based on a FCC filing.
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The heos does not sound as good as the sonos playbar, but the bose soundtouch sounds better than the sonos playbar
i have heard a Bose sounbar (don't remember the model), and it impressed me. I have heard the playbar a number of times in a store, did not sound as good. I will give the playbar/playbase a listen and will compare them to qacoustics M4 which I own.


The bose has better bass then the playbar, the playbase makes a jump in bass responses so it is much closer to the bose sound touch 300 in that regard. Give both a listen, only you can decide which ones sound best for you. While I am a fan of sonos for music and multi room music audio. I still use a onkyo 3.1 HT system, as I like the sound of the onkyo better. And I do not need to multi room my tv sound.

Which onkyo system do you have? The another thing i have in mind is the sources i listen to. Here in croatia, most tv channels have poor bit rate sound. I highly doubt sonos is able to squeeze something from that. I will try the playbat and playbase, If I’ll have to pull the volume to 50+ % in order to hear the news man, i will stick to my qacoustics.

I an planning a TV upgrade, and have toyed with the idea of added the sound base to the sonos network. But I am very satisfied with old onkyo. And can't see to talk myself switching out the onkyo.


Cheers
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I don't listen to much music and before I owned the sonos 5.1 system, I owned the Bose 5.1 system - in the end I had to return the Bose to the store because I was unable to get it setup and working
Sonos works perfectly for me, that is why I would like it to handle my tv duties

However I did get to listen to a movie shortly on it and it sounded better than the Sonos because it was able to produce sound over head that Sonos can't do and also the Bose was able to make left and right channel sounds actually sound like they were next to me

My room is open space and my sitting position is 5.5 metres from the tv. So, the sound must travel that far without having to crank up the volume.

Bascially the Sonos system is real 5.1, the Bose system is actually 7.1.2 (because its able to do some left/right channel and overhead channel sounds)

But I'm still happy with the Sonos because setup actually worked and was much easier, the Bose has some real software issues and is very difficult to get setup

However if I had a choice for which soundbar I would rather have - it would have to be Yamaha, Yamaha clearly make the best soundbars for both music and movies/games as far as sound quality and virtual surround sound goes, but Yamaha doesn't support wireless rear surround speakers which is the only reason I didn't buy Yamaha


Yamaha relies on bouncing the sound of the walls, and I am a bit short of that.:-)

Best

Neven
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The heos does not sound as good as the sonos playbar, but the bose soundtouch sounds better than the sonos playbar

Bose is well known for juicing the sound of their products to appeal to unsophisticated ears.


To be clear, I was not refrencing music quality - I was actually refering to something that in particular interestes me which is the surround sound effect - the bose soundbar creates a significantly better soundstage that is wider, has better channel seperation and even has additional channel such as overhead sound
The heos does not sound as good as the sonos playbar, but the bose soundtouch sounds better than the sonos playbar

Bose is well known for juicing the sound of their products to appeal to unsophisticated ears.
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The heos does not sound as good as the sonos playbar, but the bose soundtouch sounds better than the sonos playbar
i have heard a Bose sounbar (don't remember the model), and it impressed me. I have heard the playbar a number of times in a store, did not sound as good. I will give the playbar/playbase a listen and will compare them to qacoustics M4 which I own.


The bose has better bass then the playbar, the playbase makes a jump in bass responses so it is much closer to the bose sound touch 300 in that regard. Give both a listen, only you can decide which ones sound best for you. While I am a fan of sonos for music and multi room music audio. I still use a onkyo 3.1 HT system, as I like the sound of the onkyo better. And I do not need to multi room my tv sound.

I an planning a TV upgrade, and have toyed with the idea of added the sound base to the sonos network. But I am very satisfied with old onkyo. And can't see to talk myself switching out the onkyo.