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  • 21 August 2019
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I know one can create a group of Sonos speakers within the Sonos app. What I am hoping to do is to create groups of speakers (Sonos and Google Home / Mini devices) using the Google Home app. I can see the Sonos speakers in the Google Home App as visible devices, but I can not seem to include any Sonos speaker as part of the groups. Am I missing something or is this not a possibility? If not, any plans to revise this?

The Sonos integration with the Google Voice system is great, but if the voice commands work to play on "Whole House"... I would love for it to include my top of the line Sonos speakers. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
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Best answer by UKMedia 4 November 2019, 12:58

There is a way of doing this for all rooms in your Sonos system via IFTTT. Just follow these steps (I’ve used the web browser version but it’s possible to use the app as well.)

1/ Log in to IFTTT and then click on your profile picture and select ‘Create’;

2/ Click on the ‘+’ symbol in the phrase, select ‘Google Assistant’ and then select ‘Say a specific phrase’;

3/ Type in your preferred phrase for Google Assistant to respond to. e.g. ‘group sonos’;

4/ Click on the newly located ‘+’ symbol and select ‘Sonos’

5/ Select ‘Play Favorite’ and then select the favorite, a default device and in the ‘Include grouped rooms’, select ‘include all rooms’. Followed by ‘Create Action

6/ Google Assistant will then respond to ‘Hey Google, group Sonos’ and will create a Sonos group containing all of your rooms and start playing the Favorite

If you want to play different music asking Google Assistant to ‘play xx on Sonos’ maintains the Sonos Grouping.

I know this isn’t as flexible as you are all requesting but it does provide some level of grouping by voice to GA.

 

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I know one can create a group of Sonos speakers within the Sonos app. What I am hoping to do is to create groups of speakers (Sonos and Google Home / Mini devices) using the Google Home app. I can see the Sonos speakers in the Google Home App as visible devices, but I can not seem to include any Sonos speaker as part of the groups. Am I missing something or is this not a possibility? If not, any plans to revise this?

The Sonos integration with the Google Voice system is great, but if the voice commands work to play on "Whole House"... I would love for it to include my top of the line Sonos speakers. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

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I understand and appreciate that Sonos rarely mention their development roadmap, but I too would like to see both default speaker(s) and grouping with the Sonos/Google integration, in a similar way to how those things currently work in the Sonos/Alexa integration. I guess we will have to see what comes next in their development cycle.
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+1 Adding support for being able to include Sonos devices within Google groups.

This is for sure preventing me from buying more. In fact I bought two of this to replace 2x Google Home units and when I found out they cannot be grouped or cannot be set to be the default music source I was shocked - especially since it's been like this for months. Unfortunately I have to return them as the convenience of having Google Assitants in every room (I have 4 between the 2x Home, Mini, and Display) with seamless audio as I walk around the house. Sonos this is a massive miss! 

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"... I would love for it to include my top of the line Sonos speakers. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!Also interested!!!



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This is preventing people like me from buying more Sonos speakers even though I want to.  Instead I'm probably buying other Google speakers for other areas since they can be grouped.

Agreed that Sonos should be more transparent with their goals. I spent $1400 on just one room and wanted to integrate this in my Google infrastructure, expecting they could do better than something like a cheap Insignia speaker. Assumptions... Sigh... 

My workaround is with Chromecast and a Beam+2Ones+Sub.  This requires me to turn on my TV before hand for best results. 

This works without something like harmony or IFTTT or harmony. 

Ken's option is interesting too.. I might give that a try. 

 

 

+1 desperately needed

What a major disappointment. Speakers sound awesome, but I am going back to speakers that will be part of a home group. That was the whole point for me. I guess (works with Google assistant” does not mean “works with Google”. Looks like the legal battle Sonos is having with Google may be part of the problem.

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There is a way of doing this for all rooms in your Sonos system via IFTTT. Just follow these steps (I’ve used the web browser version but it’s possible to use the app as well.)

1/ Log in to IFTTT and then click on your profile picture and select ‘Create’;

2/ Click on the ‘+’ symbol in the phrase, select ‘Google Assistant’ and then select ‘Say a specific phrase’;

3/ Type in your preferred phrase for Google Assistant to respond to. e.g. ‘group sonos’;

4/ Click on the newly located ‘+’ symbol and select ‘Sonos’

5/ Select ‘Play Favorite’ and then select the favorite, a default device and in the ‘Include grouped rooms’, select ‘include all rooms’. Followed by ‘Create Action

6/ Google Assistant will then respond to ‘Hey Google, group Sonos’ and will create a Sonos group containing all of your rooms and start playing the Favorite

If you want to play different music asking Google Assistant to ‘play xx on Sonos’ maintains the Sonos Grouping.

I know this isn’t as flexible as you are all requesting but it does provide some level of grouping by voice to GA.

 

Google speaker groups barely work… better off going all Sonos speakers cause they actually work. I started a Google system and ended up selling my speakers cause Google has a lot of sync issues when using multiple speakers. If Google can barely get their own products to work together, I’m not sure why people think Sonos would work with them.

I kept one Google speaker and use it for Assistant only. I have my Sonos speakers set to use Alexa, but can still control them using Assistant which is nice.

 

I can control the Sonos system volume on groups without interrupting the music or TV when I send commands to my Google Home… best of both worlds.

Jumping on the bandwagon. This is a dealbreaker for expanding into the Sonos lineup, which I would love to do. 2,400+ views on this thread alone… 

I’d love to be able to group Sonos speakers with my google speakers but ALSO, I’d like to have control of my Sonos speaker groups via google assistant. This is very frustrating!

Super frustrating not having the option to group within the Google home app.  Sonos is an incredible speaker company.  The voice war is on between the giant's.  They obviously can embrace both and win on both sides both from Amazon and Google yet I still can't group them within the Google home app?  This is political and not technical.  If they fix this they'll easily get another $3k from me completing my home with Sonos speakers for their kick-ass sound quality and convenience.  I don't buy Sonos for their app.... I buy them for the sound and wireless connectivity.. embrace what they are good at and stop fighting the political wars between the tech Titans

@Snarley, It’s not on Sonos to ‘fix’. As you’ve stated yourself “[...] yet I still can't group them within the Google home app?” The Google Home App is Google’s territory. As the rights holder it’s on Google to unlock and permit Sonos access to every feature related to Google Assistant.

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Indeed really sad grouping isn't working - I thought about adding a couple of these to my home but without the grouping, there is no point for me in doing that - I’ll return the one I just purchased.

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This is definitely a functionality that I would like to see. As sonos already integrated the Google Assistant, I assumed this was possible… This was the main reason I bought Sonos speakers.

 

There is a way of doing this for all rooms in your Sonos system via IFTTT. Just follow these steps (I’ve used the web browser version but it’s possible to use the app as well.)

1/ Log in to IFTTT and then click on your profile picture and select ‘Create’;

2/ Click on the ‘+’ symbol in the phrase, select ‘Google Assistant’ and then select ‘Say a specific phrase’;

3/ Type in your preferred phrase for Google Assistant to respond to. e.g. ‘group sonos’;

4/ Click on the newly located ‘+’ symbol and select ‘Sonos’

5/ Select ‘Play Favorite’ and then select the favorite, a default device and in the ‘Include grouped rooms’, select ‘include all rooms’. Followed by ‘Create Action

6/ Google Assistant will then respond to ‘Hey Google, group Sonos’ and will create a Sonos group containing all of your rooms and start playing the Favorite

If you want to play different music asking Google Assistant to ‘play xx on Sonos’ maintains the Sonos Grouping.

I know this isn’t as flexible as you are all requesting but it does provide some level of grouping by voice to GA.

 

When I try this my google assistant just runs a search for ‘Group Sonos’. Any idea why or what I’ve missed? - Updated; this worked when I configured in the web browser.

Can we get a confirmation from Sonos in this? If I'm barking up the wrong tree I'd love to know.

Can we get a confirmation from Sonos in this? If I'm barking up the wrong tree I'd love to know.

Let me also clarify.  I am looking to add Sonos speakers (or groups of Sonos speakers) to new or existing speaker groups in the Google home app.  I don't want to use third party work arounds to get this done (though I very much appreciate the IFTTT work around outlined above).

 

It would be great to understand which side of the fence this is actually on.  To me it's on the Sonos side that Google cannot access the speakers or speakers groups that exist.  

@Snarley, browse through the Sonosapp and you’ll see that there are no options to customise any settings related to Google Assistant (or Amazon Alexa for that matter). Sonos does not have access to the source code/program code of Google Assistant or Amazon Alexa. Sonos is solely a licensee bound by a legal agreement.

Deal breaker for me. This has limited me for over a year. I would love to buy more Sonos speakers if I could group them with my Google whole home music setup (3 Homes, 2 Minis and 1 Max) since I can't group my Sonos when want to play music "Everywhere" (the name of my group that contains all my Google speakers) I'll just have to buy more Google Max's. I would MUCH rather buy 3-4 more Sonos, but the lack of integration is frustrating. If it's a hardware limitation, so be it, but I'm fairly certain this is a failed attempt to pigeon hole people into buying more Sonos products, without realizing it's probably hindering sales.

Agree with this. For me to expand my Sonos portfolio I would need the speaker group integration with Google Home. It’s frustrating to have google assistant on my Sonos speaker but no real collaboration between the Google Home or Google Home Mini. 

 If it's a hardware limitation, so be it, but I'm fairly certain this is a failed attempt to pigeon hole people into buying more Sonos products, without realizing it's probably hindering sales.

 

I don’t think either of those are the reason really.   Both Sonos and Google have their own multiroom audio protocols, protected as IP.  For whatever reason, they aren’t sharing or licensing out their technology. I don’t know that we can say that one party wanted better integration while the other did not, or if neither party was interested in it.  The same situation exists between Amazon and Sonos.  Apple has licensed out it’s airplay 2, taking a completely different strategy.

 

In my opinion, I don’t know that a hybrid system of half Sonos and half Google (or Amazon) to play music is the best way to go anyway.  Sonos has capabilities to play aux input and TV, other features of their system that Google does not.  At the same time, Google has some features that Sonos doesn’t do.  By going with a hybrid, you aren’t really getting the best of both worlds, but the limited intersection where they meet.  A better option is probably to pick one and stick with it, or have a setup where you use Google for voice services and Sonos for music/audio playback.

 

This is very disappointing.

I will have to return the two speakers that I have bought, I simply cannot afford to buy Sonos speakers for the whole house and therefore require integration with google home. The marketing is misleading.

What a shame. 

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