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Aside from cosmetics, I'm also curious what a 'modern' reworking of the Win32 Controller would yield for desktop users, who presumably continue to use Win32 applications for other purposes. Touch support perhaps.
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So what is the point of having a customer feedback portal and community if not to question those decisions or request features?

Are we to sit around congratulating ourselves on our purchases and praise Sonos without question?

I mentioned my other purchases to show it is affecting peoples decisions. I wish i hadn't, as it seems some people don't read deeper than that now.


Interestingly the longer you keep responding with sarcastic comments because someone has a different opinion to you, the longer thread continues to stay at the top of the community boards. Maybe even swaying people who are researching their first wireless hi-fi systems too?
This forum is about Sonos, and this thread about the controllers, with many people wanting a change. As started, I re-registered to lend my support to those asking for it. I've presented facts, figures and opinions. How's about we focus on those instead of taking the discussion down a personal route eh?

Sonos has clearly, consisely, and without any waffling stated there will be no development of a UWP app. Period. So this thread is more about you beating a deceased horse into shoe leather than it is about anything else. Go enjoy your Denon! Life is too short.
I did have an android device when I first bought Sonos, but have since switched to using an iPhone 5 which I paid approx. £110 for on eBay. In fact I purchased another one recently for use in the bedroom as you can perhaps see here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321327814441?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I chose to do that because I liked the Sonos controller on the iOS device, albeit Android can do some things that the iOS controller doesn't do. A good pre-owned android device can even be got a lot cheaper than the iPhone too.

It never entered my head to change all my Sonos equipment for some other brand, because I was not happy with the controller software.

I thought it best to simply to buy a different controller.... Like I said, that's much better value IMHO.
See, the problem here is people keep bringing it back to Windows phone/mobile. The request is/was about a Windows 10 app. My particular post on the UX. So much FUD.

You know, I don't think it really matters whether this is about the Windows App, the WM App or even the Apple or Android App... If they stopped development of the the iPhone app, I would switch to Android. Like I said it is much better value than changing my entire Sonos home system for another system like Denon.

You either sail with the ship or you don't...like I said earlier, if you sell your Sonos equipment on eBay here in the UK then let me know - a personal message with a link will do. If it's a fair price I may certainly bid on some of your items.

It's really that simple... I'm sure Sonos has heard/seen your viewpoint here, but the development decisions are always down to them and those that want to, can either choose to remain with the way the company wants to go ... or disagree and move on.

It appears you want to move over to Denon and stick with Windows (desktop and/or mobile), whereas I am happy to stick with Sonos and ANY controller they choose to develop.

I will change my Sonos controller platform any day, in preference to switching my entire audio system over to Denon, but it's each to their own.
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Thanks beynym. I think we know that. The discussion was about modernising it (from my perspective) and possibly making it available to other device types (from other peoples' perspectives).
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The request is/was about a Windows 10 app.
Just download the app from the Sonos website and you're good to go on the Windows 10 platform.
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See, the problem here is people keep bringing it back to Windows phone/mobile. The request is/was about a Windows 10 app. My particular post on the UX. So much FUD.
Personally, If I had numerous Sonos Speakers and products and had initially gone down the route of buying a windows phone. After the 'not so recent' Sonos announcement, which I would say was very clearly stated in relation to WM, I would not sell my Sonos products ... I would simply just change my phone (or at the very least, buy another phone) to use as my controller at home.

It is by far the much simpler and cheaper option than buying an entirely new complete audio system. Those that do, are just cutting their nose off to spite their face, or they actually really just wanted to change away from Sonos to begin with.

I really like my Sonos speakers and plan to add even more in the months ahead.

There was a time when there were no FREE Sonos controller apps and you had to buy an expensive Sonos hardware controller ... Some people just have to move with the times and the direction of a company ... or choose to abandon ship.

Some here are choosing to abandon ship... so be it, but for the price of a pre-owned Android or Apple device, I prefer to stay aboard.

I really do not see Sonos as being a sinking ship... If anything the Windows Mobile looks more like it is 'listing to one side' at the moment and is far more likely to go under, despite the big name of Microsoft. Both Google and Apple have taken the market share when it comes to mobiles. Many of us have all waved goodbye to Nokia and Blackberry already.

I should add that I was once a Nokia and Blackberry owner, but I changed those eventually for a Windows mobile and have since tried android ...and more recently an Apple iPhone. I try to move with the times. I'm sure something else will be along in a few years time and quite simply I will make a decision to move, or stay, with whatever works for me and proves to be the 'best value' option.

It's time other people moved on, instead of ranting about things that are never ever likely to change.

Sonos has made their decision, we all have to live with it...

'All aboard!' ... See you at the next destination, wherever that maybe, but I'm reasonably sure my Sonos system will still be around my home for many years to come.

Don't forget to post your eBay (Sonos Sale) links here... I do love a pre-owned bargain!
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This forum is about Sonos, and this thread about the controllers, with many people wanting a change. As started, I re-registered to lend my support to those asking for it. I've presented facts, figures and opinions. How's about we focus on those instead of taking the discussion down a personal route eh?
So the market is moving on, yet you cannot seem to. Methinks thou doth protest too much, lol. 😃
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Maybe because I care. Maybe because I'm still subscribed and see so many non-truths being posted, I want to help.

I'm more than happy with the Denon kit. It got me through my wedding, reception and a family party in a way the Sonos kit couldn't.


Being so busy I haven't moved on the Sonos stuff yet, but I will.

Deal is, my Sonos has a good sound (not great). It looks good. But my surface does too and the desktop software is horrid. That is the bit guests interact with. It needs an update and it just isn't the cool new/only kid in town now. The market IS moving on, faster than the Sonos "innovation" team seem to be able to and they need to know that.
Well, since you decided to go onto a forum to announce to the world my that you have now purchased a competitor's product, I figured it carried a little bit more meaning than simple brand switching. I thought allegiance was an apt description for something you felt was important enough to announce to the whole world.

But it still doesn't answer the question: iIf you are so satisfied with Denon, why are you still here complaining about Sonos? Most people would move on by now, especially when you know Sonos isn't going to give you what you want. Different horses for different courses, as a wise man said. You got a nice new stallion, why keep going back to ride the old nag you left?
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Ok, I apologise if you weren't directing your post at me in a PUBLIC forum, but you asked for examples and i provided one.

Secondly, I accept because they told me, yet Sonos replied to this thread to EXPLICITLY state they weren't.

Thirdly, "allegiances". Really? When did this become an army, or a cult, or a movement? I stated my opinions as a CUSTOMER. A consumer, a dissatisfied one and I have expressed this in the forum provided for such purposes.
If you re-read my posts, I did check the competition, and they do have UWP in development.



And if you re-read my posts, you'd realize I wasn't replying to you. But it does beg the question as to why you believe Denon when they claim to have an app in development, yet you steadfastly refuse to accept the fact that Sonos isn't going to develop one, even belaboring the point here long after you supposedly switched your allegiances over to Denon?
Sonos. Is. Not. Going. To. Make. A. Universal. Windows. Platform. App. PERIOD!!!!!

Clear enough for you?
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It is more than a valid comparison ratty. By your logic of serving segments undressed, the 5% osx share isn't too far from the 3% wm/wp share which you have persistently argue against. Yes, there is a win 32 app, it is not considered modern, it aged, clunky, confusing for guests and needs a overhaul. By the same logic, this covers 90% of the desktop market, yet you feel this is acceptable? I, and the majority of posters on this thread do not.
What I will point out however, is this thread is about a modern windows 10 app request. An OS that currently holds 19% of the desktop market. https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomb=&qpcustom=&qpcustomd=0

As a happy coincidence, this OS enjoys shared code with tablets, convertibles and yes WM10.

Now, in the same link note the OSX share of just 4%. Is there a Sonos app for that? Hmm well yes it does appear so.

Hardly a valid comparison. The Win10 market is already served by the current Win32 Desktop Controller. If Sonos didn't make an OS X controller that whole segment would remain unaddressed.
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If you re-read my posts, I did check the competition, and they do have UWP in development.

What I will point out however, is this thread is about a modern windows 10 app request. An OS that currently holds 19% of the desktop market. https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomb=&qpcustom=&qpcustomd=0

As a happy coincidence, this OS enjoys shared code with tablets, convertibles and yes WM10.

Now, in the same link note the OSX share of just 4%. Is there a Sonos app for that? Hmm well yes it does appear so.

So, all we are really asking for is the same attention is placed on modernising the desktop application, and if sonos can sweep up the touchables/2in1's and mobiles added the same time is it a bad thing?
As stated, I am not employed by Sonos, nor am I Sonos themselves. I will however state unequivocally that you are wasting your time asking Sonos to produce something they have publicly stated they are not going to produce. You may as well ask Pepsi to make you a bottle of Coke, you would have a better chance.

As to the competition? Could you point to the competition which has released a Windows Phone or UWP app?

I'll be waiting.
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I understood your clear statement perfectly well! However, battling for clients myself in a very competitive environment. I do appreciate client response and request. The investment for such an app would probably not hamper your profit?!

Thanks for the challenge ... I checked the real price: I got the CR100 (not CR 200) controller for .. Swiss Francs 720 plus 70 for the cradle in total Swiss Francs 790 on Sept. 1, 2007 at your licenced dealer "voice 70" in Winterthur, Switzerland (there were only a very few if not one only). This amount represented at that time exactly USD 655.85. Thank you for your appreciation ... and yes knowing now your US price... I got ripped off by your licenced dealer.

Not to get a wrong impression, I was (and still am) "OK" to pay such amount for a - at that time very unique - music system. No bad feelings,

I would just like to mention that 2007 is history as today you got plenty competition and ... please note that by consulting forums, my request/wish is shared by many others in your community and many others not bothering to raise their voice in forums.

PS: Just an idea. Why don't you insert a link to "Phonos" on your webpage? That would help "us" and you could count the clicks and verify whether is makes sense to develop an app sometime in the future.


Just to be clear jgatie is not a Sonos employee not is he "Sonos". They are clearly identified under their usernames

There are other solutions to control your Sonos costing very little besides iOS devices, PCs, MACs or Android phones

I suggest you research those - Sonos have made a hard nosed business decision and although "Never say never" it would seem unlikely they will reverse that decision at least in the near term (next few years).

So you might as well find another solution as your Windows phone is not going to be supported by Sonos anytime soon.

And I'm sure you appreciate why Sonos don't link to a 3rd party, unsupported and un-endorsed, app on their official website. They do, however, allow mention of those things on their forums but you won't find them explicitly recommending them.
I understood your clear statement perfectly well! However, battling for clients myself in a very competitive environment. I do appreciate client response and request. The investment for such an app would probably not hamper your profit?!

Thanks for the challenge ... I checked the real price: I got the CR100 (not CR 200) controller for .. Swiss Francs 720 plus 70 for the cradle in total Swiss Francs 790 on Sept. 1, 2007 at your licenced dealer "voice 70" in Winterthur, Switzerland (there were only a very few if not one only). This amount represented at that time exactly USD 655.85. Thank you for your appreciation ... and yes knowing now your US price... I got ripped off by your licenced dealer.

Not to get a wrong impression, I was (and still am) "OK" to pay such amount for a - at that time very unique - music system. No bad feelings,

I would just like to mention that 2007 is history as today you got plenty competition and ... please note that by consulting forums, my request/wish is shared by many others in your community and many others not bothering to raise their voice in forums.

PS: Just an idea. Why don't you insert a link to "Phonos" on your webpage? That would help "us" and you could count the clicks and verify whether is makes sense to develop an app sometime in the future.
Simply, I request a Sonos Windows 10 app. A Sonos System without a controller is useless. I have an old CR 200 for which I paid more than US 500! these days. So Sonos should treat their long time clients as clients and not as cashcows. I am ready to be second in line... behind fancy overpriced iOS "tools". But still... I want to be respected as client... and 2016 is a good year to do so. Thank you Sonos for your appreciation.

... to clarify I mean a Windows Phone App (not a PC controller).


Sonos has stated in no uncertain terms, in clear and concise language, that they are not going to develop either a Windows Phone or Universal Windows Platform app. Is there something about this statement that you find unclear or misleading?

And PS - List price on a Sonos CR200 was $349, dropped from $399 for the CR100. If you paid US $500, you got ripped off.
Simply, I request a Sonos Windows 10 app. A Sonos System without a controller is useless. I have an old CR 200 for which I paid more than US 500! these days. So Sonos should treat their long time clients as clients and not as cashcows. I am ready to be second in line... behind fancy overpriced iOS "tools". But still... I want to be respected as client... and 2016 is a good year to do so. Thank you Sonos for your appreciation.

... to clarify I mean a Windows Phone App (not a PC controller).
Simply, I request a Sonos Windows 10 app. A Sonos System without a controller is useless. I have an old CR 200 for which I paid more than US 500! these days. So Sonos should treat their long time clients as clients and not as cashcows. I am ready to be second in line... behind fancy overpriced iOS "tools". But still... I want to be respected as client... and 2016 is a good year to do so. Thank you Sonos for your appreciation.

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