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  • 11 January 2017
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Would users be prepared to take their Android to a dealer and have its microphone calibrated? Would they pay a fee for this service?

I can't imagine this being cheaper than buying a compatible Apple device off the used market just for trueplay use.
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You can be sure that Sonos would rather have Trueplay on Android than not as they will inevitably cheese off a lot of customers but it is extremely churlish to suggest this is for any other reason than the stated (by Sonos) variation in microphones leading to variable results. I'm quite sure they will have attempted to calibrate the devices on the fly but for all we know the microphones are so rubbish that not only do they vary tremendously by phone but also temporally during the tuning process.

Either way. It IS trivial to borrow a mates iOS device for 10 minutes and tune your speakers
Ah, I see your point. I clicked on the "Learn more about TruePlay" link, and found the iOS quote. You'd prefer to have it at the top level. Got it.
I would assume that Sonos is doing everything possible to figure out a way to bring TruePlay to Android. That being said, I also assume that it's an extremely complex issue, given the wide variety of hardware on Android devices.
We just purchased a playbar, sub, and 2 ones. They are either to loud or quite. Cant even tell one ons are on or they are blasting us out. Unfortunately we are android lovers and do not own apple products. Guess were going to either take the system back or buy a $100 product so wr can set them up. Kind of gives Sonos a black eye in my mind.
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As chicks alluded to, I think the ultimate solution will eventually be removing your phone from the equation entirely, and using microphones on the speakers. I've heard hints this method will allow for continues tuning, so tuning will update as you move the speaker around, or move furniture in the room around, without you having to specifically execute a tuning command.

The mics on the Sonos one's I have are terrible at picking up my voice especially when they're playing music. I doubt that they're good enough for tuning.
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You're saying the mics on the Sonos One aren't as good as the single mic on an iphone? I'm not really seeing that. I am speculating, but I think the function of recognizing a work word is partially due to the software that's doing the listening as it is to the ability of the mics. And tuning doesn't require voice recognition at all, just recognition of tones when you've told the device to listen for tones, as I understand it.


I agree with you that tuning doesn't require voice recognition, nor do I think that the mics on the Sonos one are worse than an iPhones, but the Sonos one compared to my Google home or my parents echo Dot, they are leagues behind. (you can hear the audio recordings in the Alexa app, and they're really poor quality).

I just don't think the mics in the Sonos are built for tuning like the Homepod/Google Home Max are. You would think that if they were, they would have introduced this feature already?

or maybe they're just really slow at software, I'm still waiting for Google Assistant support.
Sonos will introduce Auto Trueplay on its new portable speaker, meaning it will self-tune to the room, like Apple’s whatever-it’s-called speaker. Android users will no longer be left out. I’m guessing it will be coming to the One and Beam via a firmware update, but really don’t know.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/9/20799366/sonos-bluetooth-portable-speaker-model-s17

People saying they are in doubt about buying sonos for this reason are silly. im an android user and have not fine tuned my speakers, Sonos still sounds damn good. And how hard can it be to borrow an apple device. There are so many sheeps with apple stuff. 

Certainly the cost of a beer to have a friend come over, and borrow their iOS device for 10 minutes is less?
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Is Trueplay is gimmick or real thing?

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Just ask any Android app developer/programmer. It is a nightmare making apps for Android. Compatibility issue is a nightmare. You can never make an app compatible with every Android versions floating out there. And you cannot just make an app for latest Android version either. So, stop whining. Get an iPad or borrow an iPad. Simple. Stop bitching about Android.

Only Apple has few devices. In general it’s a standard that OS can work on many absolutely different devices. So stop whining :)

I'd be happy to. I'll offer $5. Each, even.

You seriously think that you're missing out on that much, and don't have a friend who has an iOS device you could borrow for an hour?
I think you've made your point, insertusernamehere. No need to do a "+1" on every single thread that mentions this. Please.
I think you've made your point, insertusernamehere. No need to do a "+1" on every single thread that mentions this. Please.

No nead to take the piss ffs.
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Avec 8 Play:1 et 1 Connect et 1 controller Androïd sur Samsung S7 (87% du marché mondial des smartphones en 2016 !) je m'étonne de l'inertie de Sonos qui ne fait rien pour développer TruePlay sur Android.

Comment vous savez il's ont rien fait?
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To be honest, the users may need to retune the speakers for some reasons... like moved them or reset them etc. Sometimes it's not easy to borrow an IOS device or to bother a friend for such thing. It will be great if there can be a solution for the Android users. Even it will be used for several times, I think a lot of people may rather pay for some 10 or 20 dollars instead of asking someone to borrow a device.

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or you borrow an ios device ... seems a lot cheaper and easier. Job done.
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I think everyone who defends Sonos, makes it too easy for them. How hard can it be to bring a microphone to the market, which android users can plug into their phone, which has a similar quality level as an iPhone mic (which can't be more expensive than 5$)? i totally understand, that it is hard to make an app, which gives good truetone quality for all the android devices out there, but why not sell an externel mic?

Why would any sensible person want to spend their good money on a device that is used once and then filed away for years? It's a 5 minute job to borrow an iPhone or iPad.

Besides, as custodians of the only planet we have it beholds us all to push back on our disgustingly consumerist society.
Directly from this website, under the Trueplay area:

Tuning is quick and easy.

It takes just a few minutes and an iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch.


Where would you prefer it to be "advertised"?
Honestly, it's not a required step to set up speakers. If you set them up in a normal fashion, they'll be just fine. When I ran TruePlay on my various 6 rooms, only in 1 case could I hear a difference. However, if you choose to stick your speakers underneath a table, or behind a cabinet, then TruePlay will make a difference that is impressive :)

Remember, there are quite a few users like you who only have Android devices, and somehow they muddle along without TruePlay use quite well.
Oh, no argument from me on that. But I wouldn't use it as a reason for not purchasing the speakers.

I'd be quite happy with some sort of solution for you silly Android users 🙂 Seriously, I do kind of like the concept of a microphone of known quality that could be connected to the Android. But then I'm not sure how you could make sure that the system recognized that it was the appropriate microphone, and people would end up using anything they have lying around, and then complain to Sonos about it not working.

I just may not have enough brain power (obviously, just read my posts!) to solve this problem easily. Glad it's not in my hands.
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Surely you must know someone with an iPhone or iPad? Trueplay only needs to be done once, providing you are not moving the equipment or furniture about. It's not about Sonos deciding not to do this. It's about the number and variety of Android devices that are about vs Apple. With apple devices they have a small group of devices, with similar form factor and components that they can be sure how the microphone picks up sound.

There are literally thousands or variation on android devices with multiple microphone manufacturers. It would be impossible.
As chicks alluded to, I think the ultimate solution will eventually be removing your phone from the equation entirely, and using microphones on the speakers. I've heard hints this method will allow for continues tuning, so tuning will update as you move the speaker around, or move furniture in the room around, without you having to specifically execute a tuning command.

As for Bluetooth, I feel that's largely becoming irrelevant as applications are developing alternative methods of casting audio from your device to Sonos without using Bluetooth. over wifi and/or through 'the cloud'. That gives you greater range and better quality that Bluetooth. You can currently do this with Amazon, Spotify, Pandora, iHeart, and probably others (not to mention Apple airplay). Granted, this does not work with every possible audio source the way Bluetooth does.

Personally, if airplay 2 proves to be successful, I can't see Google not coming up with their own version, making Bluetooth completely unnecessary in a wifi network. Not hard to see chromecast going this way.
As chicks alluded to, I think the ultimate solution will eventually be removing your phone from the equation entirely, and using microphones on the speakers. I've heard hints this method will allow for continues tuning, so tuning will update as you move the speaker around, or move furniture in the room around, without you having to specifically execute a tuning command.

The mics on the Sonos one's I have are terrible at picking up my voice especially when they're playing music. I doubt that they're good enough for tuning.


You're saying the mics on the Sonos One aren't as good as the single mic on an iphone? I'm not really seeing that. I am speculating, but I think the function of recognizing a work word is partially due to the software that's doing the listening as it is to the ability of the mics. And tuning doesn't require voice recognition at all, just recognition of tones when you've told the device to listen for tones, as I understand it.