Allow more than one speaker per room group

The thing here is that "room" in sonos equals a technical group of speakers wich is defined by functionality (compability as stereo/other group).

The Solution could be adding an additional abstraction level to allow different technical groups to form a "room" to beter represent the rel life speaker-topology in software.

So, I'll just have to live with multiple 'rooms' in my physical room? --todo: insert inception meme image hereOr you could optimize your sound by sticking with the standard Sonos room configuration(s), and using the extra speakers elsewhere in the home.

The problem isn't optimizing the sound as much as optimizing the room. My rooms just aren't compatible with the Sonos way of thinking. It's very arrogant of Sonos to presume they know what kind of setup I need without knowing what my house looks like. I should get to decide what is one room and what isn't, Sonos shouldn't interfere with this.

+1 here.... Especially when the new Ikea speakers will come out, people won't understand the Sonos-room-principle-idea

It's not like it's a hard concept to understand. And although, it seems like an easy thing for Sonos to implement, there are several consequences to consider from enabling such a feature. You may want to have 2 mono speakers to the same room, but what about the guy who wants to add 20? And then there is trueplay to consider? Trueplay currently tunes anything that's in the same logical room. How do you explain to a customer that you can trueplay a stereo pair, but not 2,3, or 4 etc mono speakers? What about HT setups? Are customers going to easily understand that those 2 extra speakers you want in the back for surround won't actually play surround, but they'll be slightly delayed behind the all the other speakers?

I think the rooms that Sonos currently have are actually the easiest to understand when you factor all the features that a room has. Perhaps what might make everyone happy is a more robust 'named group' that can be referenced in the Sonos app rooms tab as well as third party controls.

So, I'll just have to live with multiple 'rooms' in my physical room? --todo: insert inception meme image here

+1 here.... Especially when the new Ikea speakers will come out, people won't understand the Sonos-room-principle-idea

'The nature of a Sonos 'room'?! Yes, a very particular configuration of speakers!
The Play 1 and Sonos One are virtually identical other than the Alexa element. You are limited to control them only through the app and not through voice control as I do.Just for the record (I realise that's an older post) they are in fact very different in their internal components. A Sonos One is NOT a Play:1 with Alexa added.

Sorry, I don't have Pandora to test this, but I think that if you group the two rooms together in the Sonos app, and then play using the Pandora app to the one room, the second, grouped room should play at the same time.

'The nature of a Sonos 'room'?! Yes, a very particular configuration of speakers!
The Play 1 and Sonos One are virtually identical other than the Alexa element. You are limited to control them only through the app and not through voice control as I do.

Same here! Have a Play One and now, because the sound was quite insignificant in my reasonable sized exercise room, purchased a Sonos One! I cannot group the two (effectively) same size speakers into the same room! Ridiculous!!

I have a Sonos One stereo pair and a Quake sub which is fed via a Sonos Connect - they live in my living room and, after tweaking, the Sub does a great job of adding some bottom end without spoiling the stero paired Ones sound. Grouping does work, but it's repeatedly broken by updates, which is a pain that Sonos apparently can't or won't fix.

If I had a Sonos Sub augmenting my Ones, would I still have to go through the same hassle?

Sonos Rooms are stupid IMO, when only single items can live in any one of them (with the exception of stereo pairs).

You can add a Sub to a paired set of speakers and they are 1 homogenous group that is permanent.

As to your comment that not being able to create rooms with more more than 2 speakers (apart from Sub as above) I refer you to jgatie's comments above

Heh. If you mean in the Sonos software definition of "room", no, not really. However, I've frequently got around that limitation by making two separate rooms, then just grouping them in the Sonos controller.

Exactly this.

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This is what I am hoping for also. Once you introduce voice control into the mix, being able to permanently have groups, so I can say "Alexa play XXX on Whole House" and all the speakers that have been grouped into the "Whole House" play. Or Alexa play Kitchen Group, and if I have a set of speakers grouped named Kitchen Group, they play.

Permanent groups would be a great addition, especially when using voice.

I find it refreshing that Sonos cares so much about sound quality that it only allows setups that are acoustically optimum. If someone wants sub-optimal pairings or groupings, let them buy an app that hacks them in.

I don't think anyone is really saying that they want to be able to pair a play:3 with a play:1 as a stereo pair. What they're saying that if that if have a room in which they placed a play:1 in each corner of the room, why can they set it up as two stereo pairs, then permanently group them? Yes you can set it repeatedly, and maybe not have to reset all that often, but it would still be a nice feature.

Personally, I just want named groups, so that my commonly used groupings are more easily set, and can be done by voice.

Exactly this.

I have four wall mounted play 1's (each corner of the room) in an open plan kitchen/diner and currently have them set up as 2 x two pairs at each end - 2 effectively in the corners of the kitchen part of the room and the other 2 in the rear, dinning room part.

Ideally, it would be great to have these 2 x 2 pairs set up within the controller as locked group. I know (and use) the grouping feature to do this at present but i find that the controller "forgets" this grouping quite often (maybe every few weeks) and they become separate again. This is hardly the end of the world, but I cannot help but think that it must be such a simple thing to be able to permanently group or associate a set of speakers into a collaborative zone?

I discuss this quite often with a good friend of mine who co-owns a small chain of bar/restaurants and has been begging for the ability to have different sets of speakers that can be both grouped AND zoned.

In my house, this would be great (especially with voice control) so I could effectively set up 3 groups (or i suppose 2 groups and 1 zone!)...

Group 1) 'kitchen speakers'
Group 2) 'dining room speakers'
Group 3) or Zone 1) the above two groups locked together and called 'living room speakers'

This would effectively give me the ability to use voice or manual app control to...

"Play x on kitchen speakers...." (plays on just the 2 x play 1's in the kitchen area)
"Play x on dinning room speakers..." (plays on just the 2 x play 1's in the dinning area)
"Play x on livingroom speakers..." (plays on both sets of stereo pairs - kitchen and dinning areas together)

Maybe one day... 😛