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Apple Music Lossless on the new app


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Not a fan of the new app, but I listened to a playlist on Apple Music this morning. And a saw a Lossless logo on one of the songs. It came and went and hasn’t showed up for other songs, but thought it was interesting. 
 

Is lossless playback coming?  Was it already here and I missed it?

 

 

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Best answer by Nollind 14 May 2024, 18:55

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I see the lossless icon when (after moving back and forward) in the Sonos app.

I’m also using Alexa to control my Sonos devices. Does that make any difference for playing back lossless or not?

How is everyone playing Apple Music through their system? The Sonos app won’t let me add Apple Music as a music source. I’ve read some other Sonos users encountering the same problem after the update but wondering how users on this thread have been able to add apple as a music source?

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I still see lossless icon on most tracks, so I assume not.

Very interesting.   I’ve been listening to the same tracks that previously were showing as Lossless, and now they do not.   Perhaps it’s network negotiation/bandwidth logic.   Happy to at least have stability :-)

 

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Did Sonos disable lossless?  

I still see lossless icon on most tracks, so I assume not.

I suspect some AM tracks are not lossless and/or there is some kind of network negotiation for the stream with Apple to decide if the network connection is sufficient/stable for lossless.

 

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I’m using WiFi for all my Sonos devices, nothing wired. Apple Music is my main source, I have not noticed frequent dropouts when playing Apple Lossless source to multiple zones.

Can we toggle OFF the Lossless playback from Apple? My system (14 devices) on the new software/firmware does not work with Apple Music now. Constant drop outs, some rooms won’t play at all once they drop (never come back),

Was having the exact same issues with Apple Music Lossless with all devices on wifi (10 devices, 6 rooms).   It would work fine if I wired one speaker which caused most devices (except my Roam and Move) to switch to sonosnet.

Fast forward to today….   Everything is working normally again Sonosnet or wifi….   BUT, I no longer see the Lossless icon on any tracks…. Did Sonos disable lossless?  

 

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I’m using WiFi for all my Sonos devices, nothing wired. Apple Music is my main source, I have not noticed frequent dropouts when playing Apple Lossless source to multiple zones. I maybe get one zone dropout every few days. If I click skip forward button in App (iOS or Windows Desktop) for next track it clears the issue, ie dropped zone rejoins instantly.

 

Can we toggle OFF the Lossless playback from Apple? My system (14 devices) on the new software/firmware does not work with Apple Music now. Constant drop outs, some rooms won’t play at all once they drop (never come back), some never start playing to beginwith. I have far less issues playing SiriusXM (not perfect, but 90% success lately). I’ve spent 6-7 hours tweaking network settings, resetting devices, trying SonosNet vs all WiFi… I get the same result. 

Am I relegated to waiting on an app update and praying? 

Yeah we need to wait for Sonos to work out the bugs. Im pretty sure it’s not wifi network/bandwidth as I get some skipping on my wired port and amp when ungrouped, As well as other wireless speakers. 

Can we toggle OFF the Lossless playback from Apple? My system (14 devices) on the new software/firmware does not work with Apple Music now. Constant drop outs, some rooms won’t play at all once they drop (never come back), some never start playing to beginwith. I have far less issues playing SiriusXM (not perfect, but 90% success lately). I’ve spent 6-7 hours tweaking network settings, resetting devices, trying SonosNet vs all WiFi… I get the same result. 

Am I relegated to waiting on an app update and praying? 

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Definitely stops streaming lossless (or at least the badge immediately disappears) if I add my Play:1 to any song already streaming with the lossless badge.

I can airplay form Apple Music to a group of speakers that includes the Play:1 (not airplay compatible on its own, has to be grouped with airplay compatible speakers) and the lossless badge remains and continues playing to all speakers in lossless via Apple Music 🤷🏼‍♂️

A clear list of the speakers that won’t do lossless would be helpful.

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Does anyone know whether only certain speakers will play Apple Music Lossless? When I play on my Ray soundbar the lossless symbol shows up but not on my symfonisk lamps?

 

Yes Sonos has only added this for certain speakers. Not supported on Playbase and “a few others”
 

 

Did a list of ‘the few others’  ever get posted anywhere? I’m enjoying the Apple Lossless, but stream stops and restarts sometimes without lossless logo, when I add another speaker to group, I think its when I add a Play:1, but not 100% sure.

Does the update to the speakers allow lossless via Airplay 2? I would prefer to use the Sonos app but I’m a victim of the ‘not encoded correctly’ bug that has rendered a number of my purchases from Apple unplayable via the Sonos app.

I would rather use the native Apple Music app over the Sonos app as I can add artists and tracks as well as do simple things like shuffle all my tracks in Songs. 
 

does anyone know if using the native Apple Music app allows lossless audio to Sonos equipment? 

Airplay to Sonos speakers via Apple Music (or any service) is not lossless afaik. But I’m interested to know as well if this is still correct with the Apple Lossless on Sonos 

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Does the update to the speakers allow lossless via Airplay 2? I would prefer to use the Sonos app but I’m a victim of the ‘not encoded correctly’ bug that has rendered a number of my purchases from Apple unplayable via the Sonos app.

I would rather use the native Apple Music app over the Sonos app as I can add artists and tracks as well as do simple things like shuffle all my tracks in Songs. 
 

does anyone know if using the native Apple Music app allows lossless audio to Sonos equipment? 

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It would be good if Sonos could provide a list of supported devices, I’ve been unable to get lossless to work with a Era100 stereo pair and Gen 2 Sub. Remove the Sub and lossless works, could be the gen 2 sub just isn't supported.

Yeah you would think they could provide that, put it in the release notes etc. 

 

I’m also having a lot of issues with Apple Lossless. I can get it to play but initial issues: pausing, skipping tracks are delayed. Can’t use the slider to advance in the song reliably. Lots of audio glitches. Would prefer to use lossy while they fix the bugs tbh. 

I’m experiencing something similar. Apple Lossless seems to work on Move and a fairly new Amp (v 1.24.1.19-1.2) but not on older Amps (v. 1.17.3.1-1.1) or older Ports/Connect (v. 1.17.5.5-1.1). I contacted Sonos about this but support was useless. They cited ‘latency’ as the culprit vs. compatibility. 

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Actually Sonos first supported Apple Lossless 18 years ago in Version 1.3.

It’s such a shame. I have so many playlists where certain tracks, some purchased some ripped, just won’t play. I’ve dying for lossless from Apple to come in too.

Does the update to the speakers allow lossless via Airplay 2? I would prefer to use the Sonos app but I’m a victim of the ‘not encoded correctly’ bug that has rendered a number of my purchases from Apple unplayable via the Sonos app.

Airplay doesn’t support Apple Lossless AFAIK

Does the update to the speakers allow lossless via Airplay 2? I would prefer to use the Sonos app but I’m a victim of the ‘not encoded correctly’ bug that has rendered a number of my purchases from Apple unplayable via the Sonos app.

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Brave. 

Got it, thanks.
Haven’t you tried the latest 16.2 firmware with the 16.1 app?
Or does the FW update force the app update as well?

I’m on the latest firmware. If you are still on 16.1 with the s2 app DONT UPDATE- not worth it yet. 

Yes, I’m still on the 16.1 FW and the old 16.1 app (downgraded it after playing with the latest “courageous” app for a while).
I keep the FW auto-update off, so it wasn’t forcibly updated to the latest version.
What I was thinking about is to upgrade the FW to enable Apple lossless but stay with the old 16.1 app until they get the new one into shape.
But it’s not clear whether this combination would work, and there’re no way to downgrade the FW in case of trouble - so I’d rather stay with the current config for now.

Brave. 

Got it, thanks.
Haven’t you tried the latest 16.2 firmware with the 16.1 app?
Or does the FW update force the app update as well?

I’m on the latest firmware. If you are still on 16.1 with the s2 app DONT UPDATE- not worth it yet. 

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Just noticed this today when I was listening to some ATMOS mixes… put on a song I know is NOT Atmos encoded and was like hmmmm glitch….  great surprise as I was going back & forth about Amazon Music  - AirPlay of same song NOT showing lossless

 

One thing I DID notice while I was trying to confirm lossless/HD….   if I play FLAC from NAS it no longer plays with the HD tag….  what gives?!?!  :-) 

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Brave. 

Got it, thanks.
Haven’t you tried the latest 16.2 firmware with the 16.1 app?
Or does the FW update force the app update as well?

Brave. 

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It would be good if Sonos could provide a list of supported devices, I’ve been unable to get lossless to work with a Era100 stereo pair and Gen 2 Sub. Remove the Sub and lossless works, could be the gen 2 sub just isn't supported.

I’m also having a lot of issues with Apple Lossless. I can get it to play but initial issues: pausing, skipping tracks are delayed. Can’t use the slider to advance in the song reliably. Lots of audio glitches. Would prefer to use lossy while they fix the bugs tbh. 

@Bumper Which mobile app version are you using for the lossless playback - the new “brave” 80.00.xx or the old 16.1?
 

It would be good if Sonos could provide a list of supported devices, I’ve been unable to get lossless to work with a Era100 stereo pair and Gen 2 Sub. Remove the Sub and lossless works, could be the gen 2 sub just isn't supported.

Yeah you would think they could provide that, put it in the release notes etc. 

 

I’m also having a lot of issues with Apple Lossless. I can get it to play but initial issues: pausing, skipping tracks are delayed. Can’t use the slider to advance in the song reliably. Lots of audio glitches. Would prefer to use lossy while they fix the bugs tbh. 

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It would be good if Sonos could provide a list of supported devices, I’ve been unable to get lossless to work with a Era100 stereo pair and Gen 2 Sub. Remove the Sub and lossless works, could be the gen 2 sub just isn't supported.

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