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I’m not going to debate HomePod vs 5 here since this isn’t the place for it especially for people who haven’t had both and your characterization of what reviews say isn’t accurate.

I was referring to the Move as a niche product not the ARC.  I expect the ARC will be very successful whether used for Atmos or not.  I actually think $799 isn’t a bad price for what you get even if you don’t use it for Atmos.  Personally I use an Amp with Revel Concerta 2 speakers, Sonos sub, and One SL rears.  I have Sonos One’s and HomePods in stereo pairs in 5 rooms around the house.

New customers looking for a bluetooth speaker aren’t going to spend $399 when there are so many other options.  

I think $500 for a “smart” speaker with no voice control in 2020 is really surprising and puzzling.  

The HomePod sounds better, has 360 sound, Siri works fine for anything I use it for and the HomePod mics are amazing and it’s $299 often on sale for less.  Airplay 2 means I can mix and match and I pretty much never use the Sonos app except for home theater with my Amp.

 

 

I haven’t seen many reviews stating the HomePod sounds better, and the HomePod isn’t thought of as a very successful product.  

It’s puzzling how little the 5 changed, perhaps they ran out of R&D  $$ on the ARC or the Move which only  small niche will buy.

 

I’m not sure how you’re able to classify the Arc and Move as small niche markets.  I haven’t really seen anything to suggest that.  I think you could make an argument that they are gateway products.  New customers looking for a bluetooth speaker, or Dolby Atmos support, could get these as their first products, but end up buying more as they see the value in whole home audio.

 

Hmmm, a $500 smart speaker with no voice control...that’s just weird.

 Although I am surprised by the lack of voice control,  I don’t think Sonos would have done it if marketing numbers said that it was needed in order to sell the speaker.   I can’t imagine sales will be worse than they were for the play:5 gen 2.

A quick search would reveal the following:

https://en.community.sonos.com/wireless-speakers-228992/when-will-the-play-5-gen-2-be-replaced-updated-6835892

https://en.community.sonos.com/what-to-get-228989/play-5-updates-6822240

However, maybe what we need is a buyer’s guide like they have over at MacRumours:

https://buyersguide.macrumors.com

Yeah, a legitimate question, that was never answered by sonos, deflected by fanboys and then the subject was closed.

That does not at all look like they were trying to hide the 3.gen for as long as possible to try and empty the current stock of 2.gen.

 

I only saw discounts on the sub, Playbase and Playbar.  Not on the 2nd Gen Play 5.

I guess we have to take your word for it Ryan but that seems a strange reason to be honest.

The oldest Play 5 Gen 1 speakers are more than capable of Stereo pairing, as are the Gen 2's. Struggling to see how the S2 capable Play 5 Gen 2 will struggle with this “complicated computing work” to maintain a stereo connection with a higher powered ‘partner'.

In the past the reason was always different sound signatures. Now these appear to be identical that excuse can't be used and we're told the device that is still on sale can't do this complicated work - but older devices can and that even the Gen 2 can with another Gen 2 in am S2 scenario.

 

People are stating as fact that they can be paired when you really have no idea if they can or not for what the issue is.

I’m surprised like every one else that the 5 doesn’t have voice control.  Although I gave up on voice control with ones awhile ago and have been using a Dot anyway.

My issue with the 5 is the price.  it might have made sense when it was introduced but $499 doesn’t make sense anymore.  There is too much competition out there.

The HomePod sounds better, has 360 sound, Siri works fine for anything I use it for and the HomePod mics are amazing and it’s $299 often on sale for less.  Airplay 2 means I can mix and match and I pretty much never use the Sonos app except for home theater with my Amp.

It’s puzzling how little the 5 changed, perhaps they ran out of R&D  $$ on the ARC or the Move which only  small niche will buy.

Hmmm, a $500 smart speaker with no voice control...that’s just weird.

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Hi, I have some questions I hope you can answer:

Is the dimensions exactly the same on the 5 gen2 and Five?

 

 

Yes.  You can verify that by viewing the dimensions of the Play:5 gen 2 refurbished page.

I have an additional dimension question, what are the height and width pf the Five at the rear of the speaker?  Can someone with the a Play:5 gen 2 do a quick measurement and let me know.   Considering getting a 5 to place in a somewhat tight space.

 

Will the Flexson gen2 stands fit the Fives?

 

 

According the product page, yes.

Will a sub gen2 pair with the Fives in a stereo config?

99% sure the answer is yes to this.  I believe it was said earlier

 

Hello,

The 5gen2 is approx 340mm x 180mm on the back.

 

A SUB is not stereo paired, it is bonded where it plays different frequencies than the Five or PLAY:5. Rather a different sort of thing. 

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Regarding stereo pairing, the answer is that the computing components are too different for us to support stereo pairing between the old Play:5 gen2 and the new Sonos Five. 

Yet the Five can still be paired with the Sub gen 1 or 2 which presumably has a greater gap in computing components than it would with the Play 5 gen 2?  

My apologies. You asked about pairing with the SUB, not the PLAY:5. 

I would assume it does, it would be unusual for any single speaker, that isn’t a Bluetooth speaker,  released by Sonos not to allow bonding to a SUB.

And the Bluetooth speaker is only because it doesn’t connect to a SonosNet signal, which is what Sonos uses for bonding devices. 

@Ryan S

Hi, I have some questions I hope you can answer:

Is the dimensions exactly the same on the 5 gen2 and Five?

 

 

Yes.  You can verify that by viewing the dimensions of the Play:5 gen 2 refurbished page.

I have an additional dimension question, what are the height and width pf the Five at the rear of the speaker?  Can someone with the a Play:5 gen 2 do a quick measurement and let me know.   Considering getting a 5 to place in a somewhat tight space.

 

Will the Flexson gen2 stands fit the Fives?

 

 

According the product page, yes.

Will a sub gen2 pair with the Fives in a stereo config?

99% sure the answer is yes to this.  I believe it was said earlier

 

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He’s already said that the Five can not pair with the PLAY:5 of either generation.
 

Sonos doesn’t announce features, generally speaking, in future software releases, so he likely won’t be able to answer any questions about S2 until he that full set of data is released. 

 

I did not ask about pairing them… Thanks though..

He’s already said that the Five can not pair with the PLAY:5 of either generation.
 

Sonos doesn’t announce features, generally speaking, in future software releases, so he likely won’t be able to answer any questions about S2 until he that full set of data is released. 

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@Ryan S

Hi, I have some questions I hope you can answer:

Is the dimensions exactly the same on the 5 gen2 and Five?

Will the Flexson gen2 speaker stands fit the Fives?

If it does, will the black rubber bit be available in white?  :-)

Will a sub gen2 pair with the Fives in a stereo config?

In the new S2 app when it comes, will you be able to more easily swap the sub between rooms?

I have my living room with a stereo pair play5 gen2 and my tv room next to each other, the sub is placed exactly in the opening by the wall between the rooms. 

Thinking of buying an Arc if it is easy to use the same sub between the rooms just by a toggle or so.

 

Regards:Kristoffer

 

 

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For the new Arc, Sonos publishes on their product page the RAM/Storage (1GB/4GB) and the CPU (1.4GHz A-53). Since they mention the RAM/Storage and CPU upgrade for the Sonos Five as well, is this data to be found somewhere as well?
 

Also, it’s mentioned that on the new devices the wifi modules got improved - has anybody more information on it?

 

The Sonos 5 page only mentions that it is getting a quad core 1.3ghz cpu. It is curious that the ram specs aren’t mentioned unless I just am not seeing it there. 

 

The WIFI specs only say “Connects to your home WiFi network with any 802.11b/g, 2.4 GHz broadcast-capable router.” I’m not sure what else they can tell us. 

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I hadn't seen that Verge link when I posted so am surprised that it is an identical listening experience to the Play 5 Gen 2 but can't be stereo paired with it.

Does anyone know what’s up with this :point_up: - why can’t they pair if they are the same sound? 

Great discussion folks! In this regard, while their physical dimensions and acoustic profile are similar, Five and Play:5 Gen 2 have very different internal processors and computing platforms. The gap in processing capabilities means that we will not be able to offer a stable stereo experience. Stereo pairing takes a lot of complicated computing work and it just didn’t work properly because of the differences here.

 

Just trying to understand here and I appreciate your response. If I understand correctly,  you are saying the different processors mean that they can’t pair, fair enough. Since it’s a technical reason I guess Sonosequencer won’t be able to pair them either (I was actually hoping you would say the reason is because of sound so sonosequencer would be able to pair them if I go down that road). 

It’s possible that the app may be able to pair them, we just can’t guaranty the performance of that pair if it does work. I believe that app can pair Sonos devices that have no business being paired, like a Play:1 and a Play:5, which have different processors. When we build pairing for devices into the Sonos app, we need to be sure of the quality and longevity.


i’ve not tried this or looked at Sonossequencer but is it possible to group random speakers while setting their balance to full L or R accordingly? Is that all that does and how bad a solution is it?  

 

Sonosequencer can pair any speakers. It does a bunch of other things too if you check the iOS store app page for it.

I have a Play 5 (Gen 2). If I buy a Sonos Five (latest gen), will I be able to use it as a stereo pair?

Aka isstereo pairing Sonos Play 5 with Sonos Five an option? 🤓

 

Thanks!

 

Unfortunatley no.  Sonos stated a few pages back that the differences in hardware prevent the Play:5 gen 2 and Five from being used in a stereo pair.

I have a Play 5 (Gen 2). If I buy a Sonos Five (latest gen), will I be able to use it as a stereo pair?

Aka isstereo pairing Sonos Play 5 with Sonos Five an option? 🤓

 

Thanks!

Well, sonos pushed hard, as early as november 2019, as far as i remember, so THEY really wanted you ro “rush“ out and take the discount on the 2.gen

 

Why would Sonos specifically want existing legacy Sonos owners to buy Play:5 gen 2 instead of the Five? What is the motivation?  Sure, Sonos has a motivation to clear out existing stock, but why would the prefer legacy customers buy the gen 2s instead of ‘modern’ or new customers?   Maybe Sonos makes a higher profit margin on the gen 2’s, but again why target legacy customers and why even create a Five if it’s going to hurt profits?  

 

Ignoring motivation for a moment and assuming this was the goal, wouldn’t it have made more sense to have the trade in expire before the Five was released, or have the Five exempt, rather than have no expiration at all?  Wouldn’t have made more sense to limit the trade in to the products that you were going to stop producing, or only allow direct replacements? Maybe the trade in program was poorly design for it’s intended goal to disguise it’s true intentions?  Doesn’t make much sense.

 

Now we know why. (They knew 3.gen was round the corner, and probably had a huge stock of 2.gen that they needed clearing)

 

We already knew why!  Sonos told us.  They didn’t want people to experience Sonos on old hardware that didn’t perform up to today’s standards.  Later, we learned that it was also, or may be more importantly, a way for people to more easily upgrade their legacy products if they wanted to.  

 

Also, about a month ago, i began seeing the playbar, discounted 20% from the usual price here, that was also a telltale that they were trying to clear stock for that particular speaker, normally sonos cost the same everywhere, and suddenly every seller had it at the same, heavily discounted price.

 

Exactly.  If the motivation for the tradeup was to clear out stock of play:5 gen 2’s, why wouldn’t they just put it on sale like they did for the playbar and  sub? They would have saved some money too, since 20% discount is obviously a deal for Sonos that 30%.

 

Regarding your earlier comment that Sonos could have told legacy customers that the Five, and other new products, were coming much earlier on, so that they would consider holding off...how exactly would that have worked?  Do you think Legacy customers would have kept that information to themselves?  No, it would have been common knowledge as far back as last year, tipping off competitors and hurt Sonos sales.  Should they have held off on the trade up program till the new products were announced?  Then customers would have rightly complained that it wasn’t offered soon enough before the S1/S2 split.

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For the new Arc, Sonos publishes on their product page the RAM/Storage (1GB/4GB) and the CPU (1.4GHz A-53). Since they mention the RAM/Storage and CPU upgrade for the Sonos Five as well, is this data to be found somewhere as well?
 

Also, it’s mentioned that on the new devices the wifi modules got improved - has anybody more information on it?

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My rule of thumb is if Amazon are out of the product I want ,the manufacturer is offering big discounts, and is subsequently out of stock, and an announcement is imminent from manufacturer, then keep your money in your pocket until after said announcement. Nobody has been tricked here the choice is a money saving on slightly older equipment that is perfectly fine and will give many years of excellent  listening, or paying full price on equipment that will keep you future proofed a little longer, in the end it's all about choices. I chose to preorder the sonos5 simply because I am coming from a gen 1play5 and there didn't seem to be a reason to not come bang up to date .

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I hadn't seen that Verge link when I posted so am surprised that it is an identical listening experience to the Play 5 Gen 2 but can't be stereo paired with it.

Does anyone know what’s up with this :point_up: - why can’t they pair if they are the same sound? 

Great discussion folks! In this regard, while their physical dimensions and acoustic profile are similar, Five and Play:5 Gen 2 have very different internal processors and computing platforms. The gap in processing capabilities means that we will not be able to offer a stable stereo experience. Stereo pairing takes a lot of complicated computing work and it just didn’t work properly because of the differences here.

 

Just trying to understand here and I appreciate your response. If I understand correctly,  you are saying the different processors mean that they can’t pair, fair enough. Since it’s a technical reason I guess Sonosequencer won’t be able to pair them either (I was actually hoping you would say the reason is because of sound so sonosequencer would be able to pair them if I go down that road). 

It’s possible that the app may be able to pair them, we just can’t guaranty the performance of that pair if it does work. I believe that app can pair Sonos devices that have no business being paired, like a Play:1 and a Play:5, which have different processors. When we build pairing for devices into the Sonos app, we need to be sure of the quality and longevity.


i’ve not tried this or looked at Sonossequencer but is it possible to group random speakers while setting their balance to full L or R accordingly? Is that all that does and how bad a solution is it?  

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I don’t think anyone was “lured” into doing anything. Anyone doing their purchasing research would have discovered that the Play:5 Gen 2 was one of the products due for an upgrade and could have factored that into their choice. Moreover, absolutely nothing has changed yet by having a Play:5 Gen 1 as part of your system and won’t until June, so why would anyone rush out and buy a new product immediately.

Well, sonos pushed hard, as early as november 2019, as far as i remember, so THEY really wanted you ro “rush“ out and take the discount on the 2.gen

Now we know why. (They knew 3.gen was round the corner, and probably had a huge stock of 2.gen that they needed clearing)

Also, about a month ago, i began seeing the playbar, discounted 20% from the usual price here, that was also a telltale that they were trying to clear stock for that particular speaker, normally sonos cost the same everywhere, and suddenly every seller had it at the same, heavily discounted price.

That’s how product releases happen with most companies. The customer gets to make a choice - buy the current one at a big discount, or get the new one without discount. Both have the same warranty, so no big deal there. I can tell you, nothing like that happens with Apple - one day you are buying a device at full price, and the next day it’s replaced.

Now, with 16 legacy devices in my system, I am certainly in the target market for an upgrade and I didn’t feel like anyone was pushing/rushing/luring me to buy anything. In fact, it was quite obvious that I had until June (originally May) to think about my situation, and even then nothing would change so I could continue to think about it for a while longer. 


 

I guess the thing that is different here that is causing some concern is that ‘big discount’ in this case is the 30% that applies equally to the gen 2 and gen 3.
 

Both are S2 compatible, so I do see this refresh might be about giving flexibility for Sonos to introduce S3 without gen 2 support in five years time. It also signals to buyers like me that were reluctant to get the older gen 2 that is safe to buy the Five, although unfortunately I was holding out for voice control also...

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I don’t think anyone was “lured” into doing anything. Anyone doing their purchasing research would have discovered that the Play:5 Gen 2 was one of the products due for an upgrade and could have factored that into their choice. Moreover, absolutely nothing has changed yet by having a Play:5 Gen 1 as part of your system and won’t until June, so why would anyone rush out and buy a new product immediately.

Well, sonos pushed hard, as early as november 2019, as far as i remember, so THEY really wanted you ro “rush“ out and take the discount on the 2.gen

Now we know why. (They knew 3.gen was round the corner, and probably had a huge stock of 2.gen that they needed clearing)

Also, about a month ago, i began seeing the playbar, discounted 20% from the usual price here, that was also a telltale that they were trying to clear stock for that particular speaker, normally sonos cost the same everywhere, and suddenly every seller had it at the same, heavily discounted price.

That’s how product releases happen with most companies. The customer gets to make a choice - buy the current one at a big discount, or get the new one without discount. Both have the same warranty, so no big deal there. I can tell you, nothing like that happens with Apple - one day you are buying a device at full price, and the next day it’s replaced.

Now, with 16 legacy devices in my system, I am certainly in the target market for an upgrade and I didn’t feel like anyone was pushing/rushing/luring me to buy anything. In fact, it was quite obvious that I had until June (originally May) to think about my situation, and even then nothing would change so I could continue to think about it for a while longer. 

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A quick search would reveal the following:

https://en.community.sonos.com/wireless-speakers-228992/when-will-the-play-5-gen-2-be-replaced-updated-6835892

https://en.community.sonos.com/what-to-get-228989/play-5-updates-6822240

However, maybe what we need is a buyer’s guide like they have over at MacRumours:

https://buyersguide.macrumors.com

Yeah, a legitimate question, that was never answered by sonos, deflected by fanboys and then the subject was closed.

That does not at all look like they were trying to hide the 3.gen for as long as possible to try and empty the current stock of 2.gen.

 

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So you’d be happier if they didn’t allow you the discount on newer products? Rather silly, no?

No, i would have been happier if they had been up front and told people that 1.gen was being obsoleted, and everyone could get a discount on the 2.gen now, but that there was a 3.gen right around the corner, that the costumer could opt to wait for, before making the swap..

This was obviously a ploy to try and empty the stock of 2.gen’s before announcing the 3.gen

 

A quick search would reveal the following:

https://en.community.sonos.com/wireless-speakers-228992/when-will-the-play-5-gen-2-be-replaced-updated-6835892

https://en.community.sonos.com/what-to-get-228989/play-5-updates-6822240

However, maybe what we need is a buyer’s guide like they have over at MacRumours:

https://buyersguide.macrumors.com

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Thanks for confirming I am correct about the 5 year minimum software support guarantee. What was inaccurate or immoderate about my language if I may ask?

Your specific experience with a long support time is great, I hope my devices will get at least 10 years of updates. But not everyone got 10 years right? There are a lot of people who only got 5, 6 years of updates and I would like to avoid that.

That’s “easy”

Just never buy a sonos product that is not “just released”.

The play 5 got 10½ years from introduction until it was put on the “old stuff, we dont support” heap.

Also beware, if buying sonos, always do your homework, they have a nasty habit of naming their units the same, even if they upgrade the internals. The new sub is still called the sub, so if you are in the market for one, make absolutely sure you get the “new sub”. I saw a few that got burnt with the connect i think...Bought a few units a few months apart, and it ended up, that some was obsoleted, and some were “modern” and will still received updates.