Introducing Trueplay and the New PLAY:5

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Also album cover art back on iPad as a customer request and supposed to be in the update. Not market release worthy customer requests are not mentioned in the press release.
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Also album cover art back on iPad as a customer request and supposed to be in the update. Not market release worthy customer requests are not mentioned in the press release.

a customer request to put back something they themselves took away for no logical reason 😉
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@jgatie I feel like you are going out of your way to misunderstand me. Of course it costs money to write software. But once you've done that - in the process of developing new features to improve your product offering in general - it doesn't cost you anything extra to give it to your existing customers.

The quote here was about it being unusual to offer free enhancements to existing customers. Not about whether it costs money to develop them in the first place.
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On the naming of the new PLAY:5

I know some people wouldn't care, but the symmetry/sequence crushing change would upset just the right people here.


HAA HAA HAA!!!! Good one! 😉
@jgatie I feel like you are going out of your way to misunderstand me. Of course it costs money to write software. But once you've done that - in the process of developing new features to improve your product offering in general - it doesn't cost you anything extra to give it to your existing customers.

The quote here was about it being unusual to offer free enhancements to existing customers. Not about whether it costs money to develop them in the first place.


So after you pay your developers, your systems people, your managers, your QA people, your technical writers, and pay for the infrastructure to house and distribute the update, it costs you nothing? Uhhh, I guess we can agree there. So sorry that I went "out of my way" to think when you said something costs nothing, you meant it actually costs nothing. :rolleyes
Can you pair a new PLAY 5 with an old PLAY 5 to make a stereo pair (or add to the Playbar)
@random_man, the old play 5 doesn't have a 5Ghz antenna, so it can't be used as a surround. The new P5 will work as surrounds if you have a pair. The old P5 and new one sound so different from one another (volume, tone) that a stereo pair would sound completely unbalanced.

Thank you SBSurfer - I guess if I want to make my PLAY 5 into a stereo pair at anytime in the future, I'll have to do it sooner rather than later then!

I was hoping that by using one old and one new PLAY 5 the insides of the new PLAY 5 may of helped the old one along to work as a surround pair

A stereo pair with the old PLAY:5 and the new PLAY:5 would be extremely unbalanced based on the sound profiles for the units so it will not be possible to set up. The original PLAY:5 didn't have the hardware required to bond as rear speakers with the PLAYBAR, the new one can, but it wouldn't be able to take an old one with it.

Ryan, thanks for the Encore clarification, but if the above quote/reason isn't a good enough case for why the new play 5 ought to have a different name, I can't think of a better reason.
@random_man, the old play 5 doesn't have a 5Ghz antenna, so it can't be used as a surround.

Whoa. Wait. Does the new Play:5 have a 5 Ghz antenna?
Yes it does. 6 antennas in total for best wifi performance in all three of it's orientations.

Ok. Now I need to have Connects and Connect:AMPs with 5 Ghz antennas. Please. Thank you. 😃
Ok. Now I need to have Connects and Connect:AMPs with 5 Ghz antennas. Please. Thank you. :D
5GHz is for in-room bonding as PLAYBAR satellites. There's a possible case for 5GHz in the C:A, to dispense with the hard-wire requirement (though the counterargument is that a C:A driving in-ceiling/in-wall surrounds could well be buried in a closet, out of range). It makes no obvious sense to add 5GHz to the CONNECT.
Ok. Now I need to have Connects and Connect:AMPs with 5 Ghz antennas. Please. Thank you. :D
5GHz is for in-room bonding as PLAYBAR satellites. There's a possible case for 5GHz in the C:A, to dispense with the hard-wire requirement (though the counterargument is that a C:A driving in-ceiling/in-wall surrounds could well be buried in a closet, out of range). It makes no obvious sense to add 5GHz to the CONNECT.


Yeah. Figured I was just being silly. Would be nice though... My interior security cameras obliterate the 2.4 ghz spectrum, so I basically can't use them if I want Sonos to work. Laptops I can put on the 5 Ghz band and use the cameras, but without Sonos up there, I choose Sonos over security.

Random Sonos trivia answer for you: Encore was just the internal name, as suggested. We use project names for everything before they're released. For example, the SUB was called Anvil.


And the Play:1 was "Amoeba"

Geddit?

Cheers,

Keith
Erm, nope?
and Nightingale ?
and Nightingale ?
Annie?
and Nightingale ?
Annie?


LOL

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I hope they update their entire product line to bring the connect amp etc in line with BlueSound levels of quality.

The Connect Amp performs as well as any other audio 2 channel amp of 55wpc, what kind of update are you looking for? And with products such as better play units that will be on the roadmap, I can't see Sonos now making another version of it. One thing that they may perhaps be able to do is allow it to play in bridged mode and be able to be stereo paired with another such that those that must have more power can get a 110wpc solution for speakers that need that kind of power.


Sorry I was talking more about their product line and only mentioned the connect amp because it's the equivalent of the BlueSound Powernode I purchased. Basically I'd have liked Sonos to have a set of components that could match/compare to the BlueSound - even at higher price. I tested both extensively (Pulse, Play 5, Play 1, Play 3) before deciding, somewhat reluctantly to go with BlueSound because the Sonos stuff was fine for general music but the instant I put anything with punch on it, the bass response wasn't great and when I ramped the volume to about 75%, the bass basically disappeared. Even before that with hard rock and metal the sound was quite tiresome on the units I tested. I admit I didn't test the Sonos connect amp as the store I was purchasing from didn't stock it.

I really liked the Sonos iOS app (Bluesound one is lacking in many areas) and setup experience (Bluesound was honestly appalling) and of course Sonos has the experience with multiroom so I really wanted to go with them. My wife and I just couldn't in all honestly purchase the Play 5 after listening to it, even though we liked the other things about it and tried to convince ourselves.

If Sonos can show me a connect amp is as good as the Powernode (gen 1) with my floor standers and would do me a swap, I'm keen to listen to 'em 🙂 I'd like to have the Play 1 in the bathroom and Play 3 in the master bedroom.
Existing hardware will not be upgraded to include new components. Software yes, but never hardware. It would need to be a whole new product like the Play:5 (lol).

That's what I meant. A refreshed line of products with some better componentry, even at a higher price. A la the new Play 5....but please never bother with "HiDef" audio at 24bit > 44.1Khz playback....seriously, why the hell is it legal for people to try and sell snakeoil.
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I recently had a Play:5 lost or stolen in a move and intended to replace it this week. There are still retailers carrying the old version for $399. I can't imagine I would appreciate the sonic improvements of the new model to justify the additional $100, but I would pay for the new model if I believed its range would be significantly improved with the new antennas. My source is a Mac/Airport Extreme/wired Bridge set up.

All things being equal should the new Play:5 have a significantly better range with my 3 year old Mac/Router/Bridge hardware than the old Play:5?
the bass response wasn't great and when I ramped the volume to about 75%, the bass basically disappeared.

If Sonos can show me a connect amp is as good as the Powernode (gen 1) with my floor standers and would do me a swap, I'm keen to listen to 'em 🙂 I'd like to have the Play 1 in the bathroom and Play 3 in the master bedroom.


To the first part - Sonos built the Sub as a modular add on for people like you, so everybody need not pay for such needs. Add the Sub to any play unit and see the resultant bass - have you tried that?

To your second point, what more does Sonos have to do for you to do that - many stores have a return policy for you to do just that on your own - you can't also be expecting Sonos to buy back your Bluesound kit?! I don't know Bluesound, and I don't know your floor standers. What I do know after a lot of experience of passive speakers and 2 channel amps is that if your floor standers meet your requirements with any 2 channel amp of up to 55wpc into 8 ohms power delivery capacity - and by any I mean never mind how expensive that amp may be - they will work just as well with the Connect Amp.
I looked up Bluesound - at more than twice the power delivery into a 4 ohm load, the Connect Amp is better than as good. The only thing that the Bluesound may do that Connect Amp doesn't is hi res music. Since I can't hear any difference between 16/44 and hi res, that is a worthless feature to me. YMMV.
the bass response wasn't great and when I ramped the volume to about 75%, the bass basically disappeared.

If Sonos can show me a connect amp is as good as the Powernode (gen 1) with my floor standers and would do me a swap, I'm keen to listen to 'em 🙂 I'd like to have the Play 1 in the bathroom and Play 3 in the master bedroom.


To the first part - Sonos built the Sub as a modular add on for people like you, so everybody need not pay for such needs. Add the Sub to any play unit and see the resultant bass - have you tried that?

To your second point, what more does Sonos have to do for you to do that - many stores have a return policy for you to do just that on your own - you can't also be expecting Sonos to buy back your Bluesound kit?! I don't know Bluesound, and I don't know your floor standers. What I do know after a lot of experience of passive speakers and 2 channel amps is that if your floor standers meet your requirements with any 2 channel amp of up to 55wpc into 8 ohms power delivery capacity - and by any I mean never mind how expensive that amp may be - they will work just as well with the Connect Amp.


Relax, I don't seriously expect them to buy my Bluesound. Regarding the sound quality of connect:amp it may have been OK for me, it's just that my experience with the standalone units so uninspiring, and several articles I read said that the Sonos Connect:Amp was not really comparable to the BlueSound Powernode in sound quality that I just went with Bluesound.

Now you don't have to get upset about this like you seem to be. Sonos might not be up there witih Bluesound but it's also about 1/2 - 2/3 the price! That was part of the appeal for me with Sonos as I wanted to buy several units but at the time I was looking I was primarily looking for an all-in-one unit and the Sonos' sounded awful.

Re the sub, I'm not paying Sonos for a sub that's nearly twice the cost of a Play 5, to get a system with no separation of sound that's more expensive than some floor standing speakers and a BlueSound PowerNode that is so much better.
Did we not determine that your play:5 was faulty? Nobody else has ever demonstrated the same sort of behaviour, so you may have been unlucky. Either that or you're trying to play something with idiotic bass in it like the kids play in their cars with banks of subs in the boot and expecting a small standalone speaker to perform in the same way, which is unrealistic at best.