Introducing Trueplay and the New PLAY:5

  • 29 September 2015
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yea... disappointed....what were they thinking focusing on making speakers sound better with new hardware and software.
Trueplay really changes my opinion of them in that they really can fill a medium sized room with good, undistorted music.
Good to hear, I look forward to the app upgrade. What happens if the play 1 pair is bonded to a Sub - does Trueplay offer a different outcome than what it would for a play 1 pair in the same location?
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Really looking forward to Trueplay as well.

Trueplay really changes my opinion of them in that they really can fill a medium sized room with good, undistorted music.
Good to hear, I look forward to the app upgrade. What happens if the play 1 pair is bonded to a Sub - does Trueplay offer a different outcome than what it would for a play 1 pair in the same location?


I have a Play 5 paired with the sub so would hope that calibration is still possible without removing what it may see as too much bass.
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hmmm.... good question.... does paired sub override Trueplay.
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So at the end, it may be better to buy a pair of Play:1s calibrated with Trueplay than the Play:5.
I guess the ideal would be a pair of new generation Play:5s but it's not the same budget of course...
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ok... I guess we aren't going to get in trouble for answering these type questions since the announcement....

I checked and actually the first thing it asks you after pairing the sub with a play:1 is to ask if you want to re-perform Trueplay tuning. It still makes a difference in sound. It is not as dramatic a difference as with the stand alone Play:1 (since the sub is already so room filling)....but it does still open up the soundstage on the Play:1 itself and to my ears makes a noticeable improvement.
Headphone socket has been removed from the rear, can't see it anywhere.

On the rear its line line, mains in, pairing button and ethernet.

I checked and actually the first thing it asks you after pairing the sub with a play:1 is to ask if you want to re-perform Trueplay tuning. It still makes a difference in sound. It is not as dramatic a difference as with the stand alone Play:1 (since the sub is already so room filling)....but it does still open up the soundstage on the Play:1 itself and to my ears makes a noticeable improvement.

Understood thanks. The fact that it asks the question logically means that there will be a different outcome via Trueplay for a Sub anchored play unit. The difference will depend on a lot of things related to positioning I imagine. And unlike the play 1 sonic improvement via 5.4, there is the ability to do instant A/B comparisons by defeating the Trueplay tuning, so it should be a lot easier to identify the change in the sound.
From all I read, the new play 5 - even without Trueplay tuning - holds out the promise of a simple small footprint but high quality sound system for music at home by using a 5 pair with no need for the Sub.
It would be interesting to see how this stacks up against the play 1 pair+ Sub.
A bit of info here...

http://9to5mac.com/2015/09/28/sonos-new-play5-hifi-wireless-speaker-trueplay-tuning/
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Yes Kumar - I think a Single Play:5 would have a hard time beating out a pair of Play:1's with Sub. I guess we will see how close ...if even comparable it would make the new Play:5 very much a bargain.

Yes you can flip trueplay on/off toggle as an A/B test. In A/B test with Play:1 and Sub I noticed the Play:1 image brightening and expanding some while I didn't notice a lot of change from the sub prospective.
Following up on the Sub subject, the full benefit of Trueplay in a Sub anchored music set up will be available only if the Sub sound is also tweaked such that where the Sub is placed matters a lot less than it does today. Hopefully the Sub will be added to the play units in the list of units that have the Trueplay feature.
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On my paired Play:1s Trueplay made a significant improvement to the overall sound. I was however less impressed with my Play:3s, which aren't paired, though there was an improvement, with them sounding less muddied for want of a better way of putting it. Just not as impressive as on the Play:1s.
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Kumar - good find on the article - the interesting part is the 2 microphones (that opens up some cool stuff like even whole home intercom or voice command as it would always be listening.....Sonos play xxxxx")

Kumar - when the sub is paired with a Play speaker the Sub plays the test sound as well so it incorporates the sub and play into it analysis of the rooms sound. Repositioning the sub or Play would mean you need to re-tune.

Lostlogik - I agree as the speaker gets larger (and thus already had a larger soundstage) the trueplay difference becomes less obvious. It is night and day with a single Play:1, a good tweak to the Play:3, and for the Play:5 I would just call it noticeable. Of course it is going to be song dependant. While noticeable on the current Play:5 on some songs it may make a more impactful difference. I wouldn't run any of the Play's without Trueplay - that is certain.
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I thought the shuffle function was fixed? I guess for another thread though! Seems to work fine for me and much improved.
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I guess because it was the only Play to have one and did give people an option short of having a connect if they wanted to hook up some wireless headphones or such to listen to Sonos music. Now if you want to use some wireless headphones with Sonos a Connect is the only available option.


Kumar - when the sub is paired with a Play speaker the Sub plays the test sound as well so it incorporates the sub and play into it analysis of the rooms sound. Repositioning the sub or Play would mean you need to re-tune.

If so, Sonos ought to be adding the Sub to the list they have currently published that offers Trueplay - the play units are all that is on that list.

But a true room DSP outcome on any Sub does more than just change the output levels, it changes the frequency response graph to have that look as smooth as possible, eliminating peaks and valleys in the lower frequencies heard at the listening position. If Sonos has been do all of that in a bonded Sub via Trueplay, it is a remarkable achievement. The result may well not be to the liking of many people because the room response tweaked Sub usually has lower levels of bass than what people are accustomed to even when it is more accurate. The immediate response tends to be - where has the bass gone??

Hopefully the controller upgrade that can allow for all this to be checked out is not far away.
I guess because it was the only Play to have one and did give people an option short of having a connect if they wanted to hook up some wireless headphones or such to listen to Sonos music. Now if you want to use some wireless headphones with Sonos a Connect is the only available option.

Exactly. If the Connect and/or Connect:Amp had a headphone jack it would not be any big deal but the Play5 was the only option for wired headphones. Now if you want to use wired headphones (much better quality than any available wireless model) then you have to use a Connect with a headphone amp or a receiver.