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Introducing Sonos Sub Gen 3, brilliant sound you can feel

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Response has come back. They have apparently parsed the diag and have reported back that this sub does indeed have 25B of RAM. They wouldn’t share the whole thing but it does indeed appear to show that the Play:1s have total memory of 126916 and the sub has 250828. Slightly weird as those aren’t exactly 128 or 256 but whatever. Mostly likely explanation is that it’s a bug in the XML reporting, I guess

Anyone else with a Sub gen3 fancy trying this?

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@Jamesk 

Thanks for the update .

Cheers!

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Height 19.9 new,  Old was 15.3

Width  18.9 New, Old was 15.8

Depth  8.85 New, Old was 6.2

 

according to Best Buy’s comparison is what I see.

This is the second time I have seen this information wrongly registered with potential buyers. I read on a youtube comments section of a Sub Gen 2 review tat he also thought the Gen 3 is 20 inches x 19 inchese! 

 

Bestbuy, come on, you can do better. 

Hi,

I am also wondering why gen3 is having 2gb of RAM compared to the very low RAM of the gen2. 
it is even double the RAM Arc is having…

for a so called slave device it is weird…

i really think I will return my brand new gen2 to get the gen3 and more future proof... 

 

Where are you seeing information on the RAM of the gen 3 Sub and Arc?

It's in Features and Specs in the new product pages. I want to chalk it up to a typo but I can't imagine that it would go unnoticed by Sonos employees.

Gen3 has 256Mbs Ram. Double Gen2

Will my older Sub (Series A100; Hardware Version 1.8.2.5-1) work with the new Arc and S2?

I have some wifi stability issues with my current sub gen 2. I see wifi radio is updated in the internals of gen 3, but what does that mean exactly?

It’s still in GLOSS?

No matte Black to match the rest of the products?

I also am annoyed by this. Gloss scratches if you look at it and feels so dated to me. (Also still appalled that I can’t pair the Sub to two groups (TV and a pair of 5s sitting on the same credenza))

My main problem with the Sub is I can't pair it with 2 speakers in the same room (Playbar and play:5). And as I understand, Gen 3 won't change that...

Curious why you would have two devices speakers in the same room? Is it a particular big room? If so, why wouldn’t you just play both in a group and then get the sub at part of that group?

 

Huge issue for me and why I have held off on buying a Sub. Because you have your tv sound using a sound bar (Playbase, Playbar, Beam, Arc), which cannot accommodate outboard L + R front speakers. But then in the same room (typically living room), you want a music-only setup with separated Ones/Fives. And because you’re not a sucker, you don’t want to pay $700 each for 2 Subs sitting right next to each other in the same room, that will never be used at the same time.

 

I really hope the extra RAM of this new Sub along with the 2.0 software means you can finally share a Sub between groups including auto switching the Trueplay data for the 2 groups (it’s been speculated a reason why you couldn’t previously do this was limited RAM in the Sub, but no idea if that’s true).

My main problem with the Sub is I can't pair it with 2 speakers in the same room (Playbar and play:5). And as I understand, Gen 3 won't change that...

Curious why you would have two devices speakers in the same room? Is it a particular big room? If so, why wouldn’t you just play both in a group and then get the sub at part of that group?

 

Huge issue for me and why I have held off on buying a Sub. Because you have your tv sound using a sound bar (Playbase, Playbar, Beam, Arc), which cannot accommodate outboard L + R front speakers. But then in the same room (typically living room), you want a music-only setup with separated Ones/Fives. And because you’re not a sucker, you don’t want to pay $700 each for 2 Subs sitting right next to each other in the same room, that will never be used at the same time.

 

I really hope the extra RAM of this new Sub along with the 2.0 software means you can finally share a Sub between groups including auto switching the Trueplay data for the 2 groups (it’s been speculated a reason why you couldn’t previously do this was limited RAM in the Sub, but no idea if that’s true).

Couldn’t agree more! Not being able to share a sub between the Playbase and stereo pair of 5s (which are right beside the TV!) is a major oversight. If I could use the 5s as TV speakers, then I’d add the sub and get rid of the Playbase. 

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As far as the Sonos sub being moved between two rooms or shared between two sets of speakers in the same room...that’s not beyond the realm of possibilities as long as you’re willing to pay an extra $200 bucks or more  (I’d imagine). Sonos Sub tech ain’t cheap at $700 and you want to add more to the cost. :cold_sweat: However, as I said no conventional sub does what is being asked. My God man...the Sonos sub not only sounds great...IT’S WIRELESS. 

To gloss vs matte. OK...a matte finish would be a nice option. However, for my taste the matte sub when it existed was IMO not attractive. JMHO. I have gloss subs and they don’t scratch by looking at them. :nerd:Try my care/ cleaning tips:

Keep any sub out of a traffic way. Applying pressure when dusting will actually push dust particles into the surface of the sub (white or black) causing fine scratches. Those scratches may only be visible under certain lighting or at various angles. On a black sub the scratches overtime can become so many that the sub appears dull and gray rather than black. On a white sub the finish loses its gloss.

Deep scratches appear plainly visible regardless of color.

I generally use a swiffer on my subs for lite dusting. Air freshener may leave a fine mist on the sub that dries as a haze. If that happens I use a very damp cloth to moisten the surface and gently wipe dry with a cotton cloth going in one direction. Never clean or wipe in a circular pattern. No polishing compounds...ever.

I have a sub that is behind an entertainment center so it’s not easy to dust. I purchased a cloth and placed over it to keep dust off and out of it. It can’t be seen so who cares about cloth. There are some who might invest in a cover similiar to that shown in the link:

https://www.coloryoursound.com/speakers/sub-speakers.html

Bottom-line

  1. Position the sub out of traffic areas
  2. Follow my cleaning suggestions
  3. Get rid of cats that like to lay on top of things :relaxed:
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@brbray and others of the same mindset...

Please answer one question regarding using the sub between different sets of speakers...

”why should a Sonos sub do more than a conventional sub?”

Couldn’t you do it with a conventional sub; just might take a switch to keep the inputs separate if the sub doesn’t support it directly. Some (high end?) appear to support it directly: https://jlaudio.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115010644787-Connecting-Two-Separate-Audio-Systems-to-a-Single-Subwoofer.

Probably not a common request; but doesn’t seem like an unreasonable ask for Sonos to provide on-demand input switch functionality - especially considering that they special in multi-room audio that allows dynamically grouping speakers on-the-fly. It does seem unfortunate that the Sub can’t be grouped dynamically as well (not that I have a setup where it matters).

Sadly just bought gen2 before seeing this post

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Sadly just bought gen2 before seeing this post

Are you living somewhere that you can’t return it or have you passed the return date?

For those owning a gen2...In any event the gen2 sub will work on S2, is supported for at least 5 years and technical support beyond that. 

I saw no announcement where the frequency response of the gen3 has improved over the gen2.

The most notable improvements appear to be response time due to a more powerful CPU (which is difficult to measure), ease of setup, rubber feet and a redesigned power cord. Increased memory is all about future updates and may take years before the gen2 capacity is inadequate.


 

 

Hi! 

I don’t know if this is a silly question, but does anyone know how many rms watts does this speaker develops?

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Hi Ryan

Just trying to get some clarification on the available Finishes for the Sub (gen3). 

Hey AjTrek1, I checked in with the team to make sure. The finishing changes are some smaller changes to the Sonos text on the product and the coloring on the inner ring. The grander finish hasn’t changed from the Sub Gen 2’s glossy finish.

 

 

@Ryan S 

Thanks for the clarification. Might I suggest less confusing language in the FAQ of…

”...powerful CPU and cosmetic branding updates...”

Cheers!

Available on June 10th, Sonos Sub is being masterfully engineered with its third generation. We’re enhancing the same iconic design and bold bass with updated internals including increased memory, processing power, and a new wireless radio.

 

Hear and feel the difference with Sub, the wireless subwoofer for deep bass. Experience lower lows and higher highs when you connect Sub to your Sonos system over WiFi. Place the award-winning design upright or lay it on its side and enjoy pure bass with no vibration or rattle. 

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No buzz, just bass

Sonos Sub features two force-canceling drivers at the center to eliminate vibration and rattle so you get powerful bass without any distortion. It brings the same great sound as the previous Sub, with updated internals including increased memory, processing power, and a new wireless radio. 

 

The custom-designed drivers take over the lowest frequencies for the Sonos speaker or home theater setup that Sub is bonded with, freeing up the speaker for higher highs, while the Sub handles all of the lowest lows. Connect Sub to Arc or Beam, and enjoy TV, movies, and video games like never before. Add a pair of One SL surrounds for an even more immersive home theater experience. 

 

Some more details on Sonos Sub gen 3:

  • Simple to set-up. Plug Sub into power and bring your phone up to Sub to automatically pair and securely transfer WiFi credentials using near-field communication (NFC).

  • Flexible Orientation. Sub’s enduring design continues to fit perfectly into any space. Stand Sub upright, lay it on its side, or tuck it under the couch without any loss in sound performance. 

  • Bold Bass. Frequency response plays as low as 25 Hz.

  • Tune with Trueplay. Trueplay puts the speaker-tuning capability of the pros in the palm of your hands, adapting and optimizing the sound of the speaker to the unique acoustics of the room. iOS device required. 

  • Dimensions. The dimensions are (H x W x D)15.3 x 6.2 x 15.8 inches (389 x 158 x 402 mm) and Sub weighs 36.3 lb (16 kg).

Pre-order today on Sonos.com in glossy black or white for $699 US (€799 EUR).

We’ve announced details for the Sonos Arc and Sonos Five. You can also check out our blog for some great stories. 

 

Simple setup?…. Except the supplied mains lead will not fit correctly into the sub without forcing it! Had to use a lead of my own to avoid damaging the sub frame or supplied mains lead.

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i own 2 sonos subs,

having them connected to the play 1's play 3's and play 5's (gen 2)

--one thing is for sure. if you want the sub to kick some serious ass, just put it in a place where it resonates. check out the bass crawl technique https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4o13mNmlaA

sonos has a feature that you can in advanced audio settings turn the sub up if you feel like there isn't enough oomph there. vidmate teatv shareit

if you put it in a spot that resonates you will certainly hear it a lot further through the house

recommendations. when in use with the play bar believe me you need this in your life, as i said you can adjust the bass where ever needed. yes i do agree the bass at higher volumes can distort. how ever you can place this thoughtfully in your home where it resonates for volume.

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Hi,

For those who want do place the sub under a couch, the back will have rubber feet?

And what should I say after just getting the Sub a week ago? :D 

I have the option to return it for few months from now.

The question is: is it worth it to do that and pay 150€ more for Gen 3? 

 

 

Tough question. Personally, I would not, particularly if your sub is working well now.

 

My main problem with the Sub is I can't pair it with 2 speakers in the same room (Playbar and play:5). And as I understand, Gen 3 won't change that...

 

No, I doubt that will ever change, but that’s just an opinion.

Sadly just bought gen2 before seeing this post

Are you living somewhere that you can’t return it or have you passed the return date?

For those owning a gen2...In any event the gen2 sub will work on S2, is supported for at least 5 years and technical support beyond that. 

I saw no announcement where the frequency response of the gen3 has improved over the gen2.

The most notable improvements appear to be response time due to a more powerful CPU (which is difficult to measure), ease of setup, rubber feet and a redesigned power cord. Increased memory is all about future updates and may take years before the gen2 capacity is inadequate.


 

 

I unable to return my sub due to their policy only allow product fault. Hope the sound quality of gen2 and gen3 are equivalent 

Does the increased memory and CPU mean that it will be able to perform something different than the gen2?

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For those who want do place the sub under a couch, the back will have rubber feet?

Yes

My main problem with the Sub is I can't pair it with 2 speakers in the same room (Playbar and play:5). And as I understand, Gen 3 won't change that...

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What would you do in my place? I’ve ordered the Arc and now have the option of either buying the Sub Gen 2 new for 599 minus loyalty Miles for ~300 or buy the new Sub for a whopping 799, i.e. 500 more expensive.

My main problem with the Sub is I can't pair it with 2 speakers in the same room (Playbar and play:5). And as I understand, Gen 3 won't change that… vidmate download instasave

any idea on my issue ?