Introducing Sonos Amp



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Hello,

I currently have a play5(2nd gen) and sub.

I purchased a Sony A9F TV that is capable of using its own speakers as a center speaker. Link provided below:
https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/support-info.pl?info_id=1727&kbid=00201071&mdl=XBR55A9F

If I buy an additional play5(2nd gen) as well as the new AMP can I use this as a 3.1 system or do I need an actual AV receiver?
(Use Play:5's as stereo and TV as center speaker instead of having a "ghost" center speaker)

Thanks

Ry
robusnow,

The Sony TV passive centre speaker is where a 'receiver/amp' has a centre-front speaker out connection and so the answer here is 'No' as there is no such connection on the new Sonos Amp, so you would not be able to utilise the TV speaker, as a centre.

The Sonos amp would connect to the TV over HDMI-ARC and two Play 5 (gen2) can be linked to the Amp as a 3.0 setup, but there would still be a Phantom/Ghost Centre.
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It is a great update for the power of the amp; but still not optical in.
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Looks good, however, any plans for a updated Connect, with a 5/12V trigger out signal? What also have the HDMI port

Question for the new AMP
- Will you work as a real 5.1? What surround standards will be supported (DTS / DTS-HD / True HD / Atmos / etc etc)
- Will it be possible to combine the AMP in any way, eg Beam as true center (not simulated), AMP as front, AMP/P5/P3/P1 as back and a SUB/or any other SUB via RCA?
Looks good, however, any plans for a updated Connect, with a 5/12V trigger out signal? What also have the HDMI port


Sonos hasn't announced anything about a new Connect, so it's just a matter of speculation. I don't know that an HDMI-ARC port makes much sense on a Connect device since it does not have any amp or speakers itself, and could only relay the signal to a different amp. If it was able to send HT channels to other Sonos speakers, I don't know that it would really be a Connect anymore.

As for the 5/12V trigger, I very much doubt that. If it were going to be added, I think you'd see it on the Connect:amp. As well, I think Sonos would prefer that device communication be done wirelessly.


Question for the new AMP
- Will you work as a real 5.1? What surround standards will be supported (DTS / DTS-HD / True HD / Atmos / etc etc)


If 'real' means a separate left-right-center channel speakers, no. The amp supports the same standards as the other Sonos HT products, which is DD 5.1 or stereo. Using HDMI-ARC a tv should automatically convert an Atmos signal to DD 5.1.


- Will it be possible to combine the AMP in any way, eg Beam as true center (not simulated), AMP as front, AMP/P5/P3/P1 as back and a SUB/or any other SUB via RCA?


The amp cannot be used with as front left-right while any other speaker is used as a center speaker. When used as front speakers, it simulates the center, you can use a Sonos amp or third-party sub, and other sonos speaker as rears. The Amp can be used as rear speakers with a Beam/playbar/playbase/ another amp pretty much the same way a Connect:amp is used currently. When used as rears, the sub port is deactivated, same as it is with the Connect:amp.

Looking at it a different way, there are basically 3 ways you can use the Sonos:amp.
- To power passive speakers (stereo or mono) for a Sonos room/zone, similar to connect:amp today.
- to power rear speakers in a HT setup, similar to a connect:amp today.
- To act as front left-right-center speakers in a HT setup, similar to a beam/playbar/playbase today.

With some variations of course, and maybe some other way I haven't realized yet.
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...does that include an HT setup invovled 2 Sonos Amps as well?
As of right now, it will not. If the Sonance speakers are in use in the front and back, it may be able to, but we're still working out all the details on that.


And what if both amps are connected to two Sonos speakers?

Or to break down that question:

I currently have 2.1 with two Play 5’s and a sub. Fantastic sound for music but also works really well for tv using line in (no sync issues whatsoever). Music has been my main driver for getting into Sonos and hence this set-up rather than a playbar. However, I might be tempted into getting AMP and use it as phantom 3.1. Would this work with trueplay?

If the ghost center would give improved sound experience when watching DD, I might also be tempted into getting a second amp and use that with a couple of ones as surround speakers. Would that then work with trueplay?

Of course, this would all feel a bit like over-priced patchwork and for that reason I might not do this at all. I am a bit baffled that you would need a second AMP for getting this set-up. Seems crazy you can use one AMP with Sonos rears and any (wired) speaker set as fronts, but not Sonos own flagship Play5 speakers as fronts. Sonos should start realizing that people in their main room want to both have best stereo sound coming out of pair of dedicated front speakers with sub AND surround sound when watching in DD. Of course all could be solved if a dedicated center was made available (the follow-up to play3?). Another option would be allowing one and the same sub to be used in connection with a pair of 5s for music and with playbar for HT, but I guess that will never happen.
@flyingpadrejr. I am a bit confused by your post. The Amp drives passive speakers. Sonos speakers are powered so using them as speakers with the Amp makes no sense. I am not sure if that is what you are suggesting.
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Those Play:5s (assuming they're the second generation Play:5) could be used as the rear surrounds for a single Amp, but not as front right and left channels. When used as the room coordinator for a home theater, Amp operates as left, right, and phantom center channels, with up to four passive speakers connected to its amplifier. The unit itself has left and right channel outputs, in addition to the subwoofer output.

Trueplay can currently be used with Amp in two setups:
1. When it is operating as the surrounds for a Beam, Playbar, or Playbase.
2. When the Amp is configured on its own with the Sonance speakers we're working with them to produce.

While this may change in the future, these are currently the only two ways to use Trueplay with the Amp.
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Hi John, thanks for your reply! Now I am also a bit confused 🙂 I am a technical layman here and don’t own the current amp. So I am basing my ‘insights’ on what I am reading here and in reviews.

I thought I had understood that you could also use the amp in connection with Sonos speakers? At least, I am reading stuff like ‘use your passive speakers as fronts and throw in a pair of ones for surround experience’ and ‘you can use amp with any type of sonos speaker to get ghost 3.0 experience’. But if I have understood this wrong and you can only use with passive speakers, please let me know.

I know that in principle it makes no sense to combine the AMP with sonos speakers brecause they are powered on their own. However, the purpose of using AMP in my home set up would be creating (ghost) 3.1 effect instead of 2.1 and potentially having a second AMP that would allow to have surround effects via sonos ones, while continue using my play5’s as fronts. If this makes no sense at all - please tell me.
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And now I read Ryan’s response. That is clear - I had understood differently that you could (also) use Sonos speakers as separate fronts if the rears were wired to AMP. I’m sure I read that in this thread so more people might be confused here 🙂 In any way, no AMP for me then, because useless. I’ll just keep hoping that someday Sonos will produce a center and you can use seperate speakers as front left and right.
Well, useless for you possibly. I shall be at the front of the queue. New Sonos Amp and existing passive speakers at front, Play:1s for rears, plus Sonos Sub. But I suppose it depends where you start from. I have everything except the Amp.
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Yes, I meant useless in my set-up. Happy for you and of course cool to use with passives if you have them 🙂
Yes, I meant useless in my set-up. Happy for you and of course cool to use with passives if you have them :-)And I hope you get what you are looking for - it is a fairly frequent request
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Trueplay can currently be used with Amp in two setups:
1. When it is operating as the surrounds for a Beam, Playbar, or Playbase.
2. When the Amp is configured on its own with the Sonance speakers we're working with them to produce.

While this may change in the future, these are currently the only two ways to use Trueplay with the Amp.


This is incredibly disappointing. Was hoping to be able to use trueplay with my speakers. One might jump to the cynical conclusion that your collaboration with Sonance is why this feature isn't included.

However I know there could be a perfectly good reason for this and would love to hear it.
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It's actually quite the opposite. This is possible because of our partnership with Sonance. We have more data and information about the speakers themselves, and the variables involved, we will be able to properly use Trueplay with them. These are speakers that are being produced with Trueplay and the Sonos Amp in mind, as opposed to any other third party speakers out there.

You will be able to use Trueplay with those speakers you have and the Sonos Amp, but only if you're using those speakers as surrounds with a Beam, Playbase, or Playbar. And the tuning is more about finding a happy medium with the variables we're able to adjust.


Thanks for the answer. Hard to swallow though given other manufacturers have room tuning for third party speakers and these guys aren't in Sonos league in terms of software and development. So as a Sonos customer this doesn't pass the smell test imo.

Anyway I'm still looking at the amp positively however.
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looking forward to getting a couple to run outdoor units with AirPlay 2 compatibility..
Love to get on the Beta if Sonos is running one.. Thanks
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Can the Sonos Amp be used as a "single-mono" amp rather than a "dual-mono" amp by connecting one mono speaker to only the left channel terminals and leaving the right channel speaker terminals open? Will this setup cause any damage to the Amp?
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Already asked, but had no luck with an answer.
Will it support bridging?
I could sell my playbar and keeping the 2 sonos ones + sub to get 2 amps if they support bridging. The idea is to invest on some nice passive speakers, to power with a 250W * 2 configuration if the amp can bridge.
My idea was: 2 amps bonded in a stereo group, one providing a bridged mono 250W to the left and the other to the right. It would be a very cleaver way of opening sonos to mid to high end floor standing speakers owners. In case the amp couldn't do that I'll stick to my playbar as 125W doesn't really power big speakers
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The Amp won't support that sort of setup, ThisGrace, it isn't designed to support any amplifier bridging.

The continuous average power is 125W per channel at 8ohm, and two can't be bonded together as a single amplifier. The surround sound configuration with two Amps bonded together has one operating as center, left and right channels, with the other running rear left and rights.

That said, the Amp can drive some very large speakers and I'd recommend you try it out if you have those speakers already. One on its own may do what you're hoping to accomplish with two together.

I'll pass along this as a suggestion for you to the team so they know someone's interested in seeing this sort of configuration.
Yet another new Sonos product with a microphone built into it. Yes there is a "physical" switch, but it does not physically disconnect the microphone from the circuit - it can still be enabled by software.

This is the furthest thing from "unparalleled freedom of choice". I do NOT want any microphones in my speakers, and if this is the future of all Sonos products I will be selling each and every one of my Sonos speakers and moving to an alternative solution; one that actually respects user privacy and choice. If there are any left...


Where does it say there is a microphone built in?
Yet another new Sonos product with a microphone built into it. Yes there is a "physical" switch, but it does not physically disconnect the microphone from the circuit - it can still be enabled by software.

This is the furthest thing from "unparalleled freedom of choice". I do NOT want any microphones in my speakers, and if this is the future of all Sonos products I will be selling each and every one of my Sonos speakers and moving to an alternative solution; one that actually respects user privacy and choice. If there are any left...


Where does it say there is a microphone built in?


View the images of the back of the device; it has the same "physical" button as the Play One. In addition, to quote the features of the device: "Amp features AirPlay 2, access to home automation partners, and voice control when wirelessly connected with Amazon Echo or Alexa-enabled devices, including Sonos One and Beam. "

Home automation with voice control via Echo, Alexa, etc. requires a microphone.
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View the images of the back of the device; it has the same "physical" button as the Play One. In addition, to quote the features of the device: "Amp features AirPlay 2, access to home automation partners, and voice control when wirelessly connected with Amazon Echo or Alexa-enabled devices, including Sonos One and Beam. "

Home automation with voice control via Echo, Alexa, etc. requires a microphone.

The new Sonos Amp does not have a microphone. The button at the back is used for initial connection and setup, and is nothing to do with voice control.
View the images of the back of the device; it has the same "physical" button as the Play One. In addition, to quote the features of the device: "Amp features AirPlay 2, access to home automation partners, and voice control when wirelessly connected with Amazon Echo or Alexa-enabled devices, including Sonos One and Beam. "

Home automation with voice control via Echo, Alexa, etc. requires a microphone.

The new Sonos Amp does not have a microphone. The button at the back is used for initial connection and setup, and is nothing to do with voice control.


I hope you are correct; I'm not holding my breath until the product is released. I see no mention of requiring another Sonos device that does have a microphone in order to take advantage of voice control features. If this doesn't have a microphone, that's a pretty big requirement for advertising such features as part of Sonos Amp.
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No microphone. It specifically says you need a device listed that has alexa microphone in order to voice control.
No microphone. It specifically says you need a device listed that has alexa microphone in order to voice control. nothing is overly specific in their language. Even in the blog post about Amp their choice of words is rather vague when stating support for "Voice Assistants". Take that for a literal definition of "another device" if you like, but until I see confirmation of YES or NO in direct reference to this from Sonos I will remain skeptical (though more hopeful at this point).