End of Software Support - Clarifications

What I heard on CNN was that this is in fairness preventative rather than essential. They also had Verizon’s top boy on saying they had no such need at that time US wise … mind that was probably three days back. Was purely what I heard on the news. I’d say we could all do with life in SD rather than 4k UHD for a while :-)

Our VM service has stuttered a few times but could be absolutely anything and could measure as individual events not a trend.

I guess some stressing is inevitable as so many are taking to using the wires to communicate over. Today will be an interesting test of that in the UK .… Mother's day and the advise (quite reasonably) is to not visit, stay at home and find other ways to do the honorable things. 

You got this all wrong.

No one is going to sit and listen to YOU specifically, they use software to listen to EVERYONE, and then the software will decide, based on some ruleset it is programmed to, if you are a bad person.

If there is a mistake or if you say words that are not meant in any bad way, but interpreted by the “AI” then you will be put under more surveillance.

Saying “I dont care about my privacy, because i have nothing to hide” is just the same as saying “I dont care about free speech, because i dont have anything to say”.

Usually, when someone makes something, someone else finds a way to misuse it. Maybe some hacker gets access to your microphone and listens in and finds out something about you that is not illegal, but might be embarrasing if everyone knew. Maybe you have a special sexual preference that is not illegal, but you dont want everyone to know.

Well, there is great potential for extortion then.

In my country, at some point in the past, some crooks began sending out bill’s for call’s to sex-lines.

Totally bogus, but you would be surprised to know that a lot of men paid the bill, instead of contesting it, mainly because they knew they would have a hard time convincing their spous that they did in fact not make these calls.

Maybe sometime in the future when sonos has been listening in on your conversations (Not saying they do, but who knows in the future). They know all of your preferences, so they can show you targeted advertising. Google has been accused of this quite a bit, and even i have had an example of me, talking on the phone with someone else about a product i had never heard of and never searched for online, only to find that my google adspaces were suddenly filled with adverts for this particular brand of product.

Also, if i do searches online for “sonos” i will get sonos ad’s which is how google works, but even my wife gets sonos ads on her phone when she browses the internet from the internet connection at home, because google knows we are together, as our phones always connect to the internet from the same internet connection.

So next time you search for “inflatable love sheep” remember that you might get a stern talking to, by your wife when these kind of items pops up on her google ads.

Also…..You are safe, as the microphone power is in parallel with the LED so if one is on, the other is as well, is not very helpful, who has their sonos speakers mounted in such a way that you can see the LED on top of the unit in everyday situations.

Let me put it this way.

I dont ever want to use these voice features, so the microphone is totally irrelevant to me.

Why do you think that TV manufacturer’s that just a few years back were announcing in a big way that their tv had a camera, have scrapped this feature.

Also….Cisco also said that their phones could not be listened in to when the receiver was hung up …

Their claims did not age well

A device with a microphone and/or a camera, that does not support a feature that i want, is just not something i would want in my house.

I tolerate my phone as it can not function without it, but my phone is always put in a special place where the microphone can not hear anything, but i can hear if it is ringing.

You will maybe change your mind when sonos or some similar voice assistant product is hacked and info leaked.

We saw this on UK TV today and everyone commented how disciplined. And damn those are big cities. Impressive.

Am a fairly hefty traveller in my work sphere (80 returns a year) but never yet had the opportunity to visit India. Can you believe this year ‘was’ the year. On Ice.

 Unlike our own folks skiing down hills in Scotland and walking up mountains in Wales in droves. I’m not a panicker or over reactor indeed and can be accused of playing stuff down a tad too much maybe but the pictures on TV are nuts. Total lack of respect, discipline and consideration for the other guy and his people.

I hope this bauds well for the people there in the time to come.

So do I. We need the firebreak of two weeks of such a total lockdown - that the curfew has now morphed into - if a country of our size is to get a fighting chance of success against a menace, by breaking it down to manageable proportions.

Since 2002, when he was head of one of our states, I have detested our PM and his divisive politics - to my thinking there are frightening parallels with Adolf Hitler and Germany in 1930. But for now, I have to say that his leadership has been masterly, rising to being a statesman that is talking to all Indians effectively. Once we are out of this, I will go back to evaluating him on merits. If he is successful, he may even have a good epiphany. But that is something for a post corona world.

Digression over.

Personally, I don’t see that there have been any significant changes… Other than knowing a few more minor details, it’s the same info that we heard months ago.

Hearing that one of the stated reasons for downgrading old kit is so that they can offer ‘hires’, something that they’ve always claimed is pointless, does not impress….

I suspect that most people have something rather more important on their minds at the moment.

I went through my anger phase, but knowing that rants are a waste of energy better used for finding solutions, I focused on that and found them in a week or so. These bypass Sonos.

I wrote to Spence the day after his Jan 23 back pedal, and copied Ryan at the latter’s request, suggesting that the way to gain some credibility for the “wanna regain your trust” thing is by cancelling the recycle nonsense right away. Whether my suggestion had any effect at all isn't the point, which is that it took Sonos weeks to do just that, losing any chance of capturing goodwill for that decision.

Three weeks ago I emailed Spence and Ryan, telling them it may be a good idea to put the May event on ice, to gain some goodwill and show some leadership before external events force their hand. Now it is too late again, and all they can do is go up and down with the virus wave.

On which point, just a day into what is looking like a calamity worse than the virus in India - the 21 day all India lockdown - I am veering around to thinking that fundamentally, Trump may have had it right all along, with some balancing and course corrections to his thinking that getting everyone to work again is the best way of dealing with this. And if so and he is proved right, I will be the first to cheer Sonos going forward with the May event for what it will mean - the world is getting back to normal. I don’t need Hi Res, and I will stay forever in legacy mode, but that is irrelevant.

Circling back to the point, I think that this thread is quiet because people have sensibly decided to worry about what they can control and what is short term. I see plenty of active threads, although because I am somewhat distracted managing things in my life just now, I haven’t the bandwidth to contribute.

Technology can change so fast we all have no clue - my current Play:1s and Play:3s sit at 64mb ….. how long (I give them 3-4 years maybe).  One question is though with Play:1s especially they may be able to write the software so even then they could be used as surround rears (where they are just slave units anyhow).   So maybe possibility Play:1s with 64mb still in use 7-8 years from now.   I mean once they get to that 10yr mark there is always possibility of internals just giving out.

Rhetorical question?  The majority of your posts have been in this thread.  I think you know that others have a similar view as you.

Just thinkin’. The eventual demise of legacy speakers will most likely result from their inability to feep up with future technolgy changes of streaming sites (eg. Spotify). So, before that time comes, if a person didn’t update Spotify, but instead kept the current version, woudn’t that keep the legacy speakers compatible with Spotify?

Come to think about it the playbase is exactly 3 years old, and it too ”only” have 256MB, I dont think they Need much more, Maybe its a future proof thing to use 1gb, but still they could have done that too 3 years ago with the playbase 

We can make assumptions about how much is enough memory, but it’s still just an educated guess at best.  Yes, 256 is much more than 32, but the playbase also has to handle airplay functions, TV audio duties, and now hi-rez...things the 32 MB devices didn’t.  How much is left over?  Don’t know.  Sonos did believe that 256 was the right future proofing the cross then, maybe they still do.

And you also need to figure much of the 1GB memory devices use it for voice assistant functionality.