Multiple Echo and Sonos - play everywhere not an option

  • 5 October 2017
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I have 4 echos in my house grouped to the “everywhere” group through Alexa. I added my Sonos Play 1 and it works fine by itself with any simple alexa commands. However, I tried to add my Sonos speaker to my everywhere group but it doesn’t seem like this is an option. Can anybody tell me if I can play my music on ALL of my echo devices AND my Sonos at the same time? If I can’t add Sonos speakers to the everywhere group along with my Echo devices, I’m less likely to purchase an additional Sonos like I planned. Isn’t the whole point to be able to play music in all the speakers at the same time?

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Understandable. But the audio quality of the Sonos really is far superior, if that matters to you. I personally never listen to music on my Echo; compared to even the smallest Sonos, the sound is terrible.
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It would be best if they all just multi room synced together

I highly doubt that is going to happen, they have completely different ways of syncing.


I agree. But they should sort it out. If they don’t and google or amazon improve the quality of their speakers then Sonos is dead
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Okay guys... this is complicated since now we're dealing with two services, and trying to get them to play together. But since it's still in Beta right now, and very early in its use, it's a little complicated, but can be done.

First, everyone needs to continue to submit comments, suggestions, and everything to both the SONOS support group, as well as the Amazon support group to make sure both are always on top of things to better the entire service for all.

But with that said, if your SONOS devices have been discovered in the Alexa app, then ask Alexa to play music in one of the newly-discovered room. Once music is playing in there on that individual SONOS device, you'll need to then go into your SONOS app. From within the new SONOS app, select the room with the song playing from the Echo device, and click the room name at the bottom of the display to bring up a list of all rooms. Then click the "on" switch for Everywhere. Then click "Done" on the bottom of the screen.

This process even works across my SONOS Connect, my Play speakers, as well as my Playbase.
You can send all of the commands (volume up, volume down, skip, etc...) to any of the Alexa devices, and it's smart enough to know that you have music playing in one of the new connected devices, and performs that.

Hopefully, this gets everyone to finally be able to start enjoying both Alexa and SONOS!

The only thing I can say that is the negative in this process (since we're mixing services), is that you can't add SONOS to the Everywhere group.

Please, whoever decides to get the new SONOS one speaker (Play 1 with Alexa), can you update this channel with your findings, if the new SONOS device then gets added to the Everywhere group, thus allowing you to then control all Alexa and SONOS in the same group? That would be awesome if it finally allows it! 🙂
@Adam, I don't think that's a solution to what other's wanted, which was to have their echo speakers and Sonos speakes all play in sync.

@rlreif Sonos One is an Alexa Enabled device, it's not an echo. Only echo's will play music insync. Firetv's and Fire tablets are also Alexa enabled devices, and they will not play in sync with your echo's, even though they are all Amazon products. That could change, but that's the way it is right now.
Whether that functionality will be available in the future is not known, though it most definitely is not possible now, and that is not Sonos' doing. The Amazon SDK for that type of functionality is not available till next year:

Alexa Voice Service (AVS) Multi-Room Music SDK

Amazon is introducing new tools that enable AVS device makers to integrate with Amazon Alexa Multi-Room Music. Doing so will allow customers to play their music across supported Echo and AVS devices—for example, a customer with three Echo devices and two standalone AVS speakers can play synchronized music across all five devices. These tools will be available early next year.


http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2297100
Ask Amazon, not Sonos. It is their (AVS) Multi-Room Music SDK which is supposed to allow this functionality. It was slated for release in early 2018, but it has apparently been delayed.
I am in exactly the same boat - was waiting to outfit the house with Sonos speakers to use in conjunction with the two Echos and Dot / Amp we have setup. Hope the ability to have a mixed group is in the cards.
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I would like to be able to do this too. But don’t think it will ever happen.

Difficult for people who already have a few Sonos speakers. But it probably looks like a better idea to buy the Google Max speaker or wait and see if the new Echos have decent enough sound
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It would be best if they all just multi room synced together
I agree, I hope this option comes soon!!!! I have 3 echos and various Sonos speakers 😞
I am in the same boat as rlreif. Not having the ability to put the Sonos One and the Echos into the same group is a deal breaker. I was looking forward to having the Sonos sound quality in the room I'm in the most often with the Echos providing it in other rooms. Sonos should quickly state their intention to provide having the One and Echos in the same group. If they don't I'm returning the unit.

I feel Sonos was dishonest in their advertising of the One. Saying the One has Alexa implies it will work like Alexa on the Echo. With Amazon just recently adding the multi-room music made it likely people will assume the One can go into a group.
I received my Sonos one today and can confirm you cannot add it to the Everywhere group in Alexa app. Very disappointed and will likely return the One.
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Or it is a technical impossibility, not an annoyance.

And I don't wear googles, Sonos or otherwise. I understand why a layperson would think it is possible or probable, I also understand enough of the technical and financial side to know it may not be either possible, nor probable. I also know that as Amazon had just recently announced the SDK required for grouping would not be here until early next year, the probability of this feature being available upon launch was slim and none, and slim wasn't making the party. No googles needed for that analysis.


As jgatie says and as someone who has spent the last 30+years in IT system integration, I can assure you that the real complexity comes in the Integration phase! My last IT change programme had 22 3rd parties and the work to keep everyone aligned is amazing compared to the technical challenge in a specific technical ecosystem.
not difficult, just group the speakers together, doesnt diminish the sound quality, it just wont be in stereo, but that should not matter if in different rooms
I just picked up the new S1 and planned to expand the system... However, the lack of Amazon integration with Echo’s has me pausing. Totally bummed I can’t play music everywhere with all devices! Seriously Sonos:? What’s the purpose of the Amazon Alexa integration if you can’t leverage all devices across both technologies. :? Engineering needs to step up the game - Innovate and Partner!!! :8
I wonder whether Sonos' staff monitor these discussions? Can we have some official words on whether connectivity with Echo will be coming in the near future (if so, when) or not?

I currently have 4 Echos and 2 Sonos One, if these devices will never be able to be grouped, I'm sure at lot of us will have to consider returning one of the system and just stay with one.

Thanks
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It appears you can either group sonos products OR Amazon products. You cannot have a speaker group which contains a mix of the devices.
I would not count on it. The ability to sync between Sonos units is a carefully kept trade secret, protected by patents. I doubt very much they would give away the farm so Amazon could sell cheap versions that will sync with Sonos.

Difficult for people who already have a few Sonos speakers. But it probably looks like a better idea to buy the Google Max speaker or wait and see if the new Echos have decent enough sound



I'm not following how the inability to mix and match echo and sonos speakers means that people would be better served with a google max. You can't mix and match sonos with google speakers, nor do I think google does mutliroom audio (do they? I don't know).

Peronsally, I opted for echo dots, because I never ended to use them as speakers with decent sound quality. I did get full size echos for my kids room where I had little use for syncing audio with the rest of the house. If you have a house full of echos and sonos, then wherever you want good mutiroom audio, use sonos. Control with a dot if you have one, or full echo if you have one and don't have anther good use for it. For rooms where sound quality isn't as important, nor is multiroom (with the sonos part of the house), then use echos. I don't see why google is the answer either way...unless you have no sonos or echos and really like google.

Aside....at the moment, I'm trying to justify why I 'need' a Sonos One...or maybe one of those new Echo Spots.
It would be best if they all just multi room synced together

I highly doubt that is going to happen, they have completely different ways of syncing.
I was excited to receive my Sonos One on the 24th, but if I can’t do multiroom audio with it AND my existing echos together it’s getting returned. I have never had a Sonos speaker before and was excited but this is a dal breaker. Some info from the company would be helpful.
Currently the integration is disappointing, it basically makes your echo redundant as a speaker. Would be great to have full intergration, and be able to sync Sonos and echo speakers.
Disappointed.
Canceling.
Disappointed.
Canceling.


In favor of what?
Keeping all my existing echos and maybe adding another. I already have my house full of them, and was hoping the new Sonos could be added to that group to give me great sound there, but I’m not going to add an incompatible device to the mix, or trash what I have and go all in on Sonos. Maybe in the future if this is resolved I will reorder, but for now it doesn’t meet my needs unfortunately.